Stokielee

Thanks for the answer.

Congrats to everyone involved! Does anyone know when the first spade goes in the ground?

Massive clouds of dust from the very first bend of Heat 1. Again! And they eventually come out and water the straights?!! I'm running out of words to describe that shambles!

Not wanting to hijack this thread talking about other tracks so I'll be brief. I sincerely hope Belle Vue get an excellent racing strip, a club of that stature deserve a brilliant track. Admittedly I miss-remembered Buxton being narrow but it's still an awful track. Incidentally, there's currently a debate on FB about the track being poor. As you say I forgot the Isle of Wight, Kent and also Hull. Most tracks wouldn't fit in their current stadia if they had to be 300m. That's why I think they are shoe-horned into places they don't really fit. Best of luck to Belle Vue.

There is no passing at Leicester beyond the second bend. The track has fundamental flaws in terms of the relationship between the length, width and shape. It's big but somehow has no space! I've not been to Redcar but it's small and I'm told that the banking on the third/forth bends cannot be used effectively due to the small nature of the track. Buxton is too small, narrow, rough and not even level. Weymouth was too small and narrow. I never saw Trelawny but it was small. The same goes for Plymouth. Somerset is an interesting one. I've been once (Somerset v Stoke) and considering how people talked it up I was totally unimpressed. I remember one race, Cunningham v Staechmann. The best Staechmann could manage was to get his front wheel level with Cunningham's back wheel. There were some close races but precious little passing. I also saw a Somerset match on Sky, that was good admittedly. I would say Somerset is one of the better tracks in the country but most others are pretty poor so it's not saying much. I think it could be better still. Scunthorpe I've not seen, it's talked up like Somerset is but I think it's smaller? Wimbledon was narrow and had a poor surface I understand. Birmingham isn't particularly conducive to passing from what I've seen on the TV, I don't know the reason for that, whether it's size, shape, width, surface or a combination of all those. Also viewing is poor at the stadium, how bizarre. Have I missed any? Probably. The rules in regards to track size need changing, min length should be 300m. The minimum widths on straights and bends need to be increased. The common thread running through this is that most modern tracks have been short. Proper speedway tracks are big, wide and fast with multiple lines. The Polish and Swedish tracks I've seen on TV are far better than most British tracks, length, width and surface. I'd guess you'd disagree with most of what I say above as you think they are all "fine".

That should be the absolute priority of any new promoter/anyone building a new track. Most of them talk it up but very, very few actually manage to produce a decent track (size & shape). Time will tell on this one...

This is by far the most important thing stated on the whole 13 pages of this thread. DO NOT balls-up or compromise the size, shape, or surface of the track under ANY circumstances!

Explained by the fact that I was on an entrance to a bend and you were on an exit from a bend Dek.

I wouldn't describe a dissenter as someone who has requested an explanation to an entirely valid point, would you? Incidentally, it's a point that is still without an answer and, no doubt, will continue to go without a reasonable answer.

Funny, I never noticed you standing on my shoulder with your ipad so you got the same view as me! In later heats the dust was damped down slightly by what little watering there was, perhaps you recorded one of those heats.

Yes it was. I was standing on the first bend and I couldn't see the riders on the first bend in heat 1.

Well lets wait for the answer of Mr Vasey shall we?

Perhaps Mr Vasey would be so good to give an explanation as to why there was considerable dust from the instant the tapes went up in Heat 1 and in most other heats thereafter?

Fair points. You say things have improved and I hope that is the case. However you did also say there wasn't much passing so it still sounds there is some way to go. Also a point that seems to be missed is that many people have issues with the attitude of the promotion, not just the team or the track. I've yet to see any improvement in that regard so lets hope the improvements extend to that area as well...

For the avoidance of doubt, perhaps you could list the members of this forum you are referring to?