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This was a post that posted sometime ago about improving Britain chances of winning a World Team Cup, and giving a chance for us to nuture a home grown rider to win the World title, what does everybody else think do have a good idea or is it pants, is it practical or not. Come on lets have your views, I am interested to see what you all think. Elite League I think that now the Elite League we have to look at squads rather than teams, like Gary I think that we need to attract the top guys over here, there are too many riders at Grand Prix level who are not riding over here, and why okay Nicki Pedersen was squeezed out by the points limit, and some say his wages demands, if it is the latter then if he is riding on a part time basis then you are not having to pay him a full season's wages. The other reason why riders appear not wanting to commit to the Elite League is the demands and the amount of meetings, squads would reduce these problems. Also squad systems seem to work in Poland and Swedan, so for me if it is good enough for them then it should be good enough for us. On the issue of British riders in the Elite League I will say this, restricting the foreign riders needs to be a done slowly, so for 2009 I would say that all Elite Legue teams must include one British rider in the line up in a meeting, with a squad system they may use a doubling up rider, but ther must be a British rider in their line up. They can go with just one British rider until 2011 when they have to include two Britsh riders, and so on until ratio in the team is more Brits than foreign riders i.e. when there is a minimum of 4 British riders. Bringing back the doubling up rule, I would say that the criteria for doubling up riders should be that they must be British, and they must be no more than 25 years old before the start of the season. Another idea that I have is that no British rider should be allowed to ride full time in the Elite League until they have two seasons riding Premier League speedway. Much as I admire Lewis Bridger's ambition, I cannot help thinking that Lewis's progress is nothing like that of Tai Woffenden. For me Lewis missed a trick by going straight into the Elite League, two seasons in the Premier League would have done him the world of good, the more racing he would have got in, the differing types of tracks, and the fact that he would have probably gone out and won races, greater earning potential would have built up his confidence more. I f you disagree ask yourself this one question, has it harmed the likes of Holder, Batchelor and Woffenden. With the squad system attracting more top riders to Elite League clubs, I think that the points level should be made higher, and I would be looking for a points level of around the 41.5 mark. Premier League I agree with Gary that each team should include a Conference League rider, but I would have at the start of the season what they call in America a draft pick, it could be made into a big event at whch fans can attend to see which rider their team will get, the way it would work is that the team that finishes bottom gets to pick the first rider and so on until the team that finished top gets the last pick. Then for a week teams will be allow to trade Conference League riders, if a top team are wanting another teams Conference rider then it is up to them to offer incentives to swap riders. For the Premier League I would not have squad system, and I think that the points limit is okay as it is now, but I would say that we need to make teams include one British rider for 2009 for two seasons, then two for the next two seasons and again so on until we have the ratio of more British riders than foreign riders. Conference League I think that the Conference needs to get back to what it was set out to do, as a training ground for young speedway riders, anyone who has had more than two years riding in the Premier League should be banned from riding in this league unless they are under the age of 24. I am sorry but I don't see the benfits of having the likes of Semmond Stephens or Jon Armstrong riding in this League. I would also do away with the grading system, and teams should be built on averages, and teams should be squads rather than teams, and the only riders in the Premier League who would be allowed to ride in the Conference League would be those who have just moved up into the Premier League. And I would also make this league purely British, no Commonwealth riders, and those riders who qualify via parentage must commit themselves to British speedway. Academy League I would scrap, in its place I would place I would put in an under 15's matchs, in the monthof August I would have every club Elite, Premier, and Conference give on night of a second half to the under 15's match of say 9 races with two teams of 4, the emphasis would not be on winning teams, but to let youngsters try out different tracks. Riders would have to apply to compete, and the meetings would ber shared out accordingly, with each of them given a fair share of meetins, this along with the Under 15 championship would give the youngsters the track time they so need. The National Team I think that at this present moment we have to show more interest in how the under 21 team goes rather than the senior team, I think that we have the best crop of under 21 riders at the moment then we have had for sometime. Stories about the Under 21 squad not been provided with team kevelars is disgraceful, these boys are our future. As for this World Team Cup, I think that we need to look a side that introduces the youngsters, okay Nicholls, Harris and Richardson pick themselves, but after that we need Woffenden and Kennett in there, one riding and the other been reserve give them the chance to soak up the atmosphere of this kind of meeting and let them learn, but when there is a choice between old guard and new blood lets be bold and introduce youth. Meetings Lets do away with the tactical ride, and the golden double, and return back to the the tactical sub rides when 6 points behind, and which could be used as many times as you wanted. Also I think that the bonus point must be introduced back, but I also think that the three points for an away win should be kept as well. For me the bonus point keeps meeting alive, espcially where team riding at tracks that they don't ride very well at, there is nothing in those kind of meetings for them to compete for. Those are my ideas maybe some people will say that they are unworkable, some may agree with them, but I do think that now is time to change, but I think that it needs to change gradually.

I don't think that you can bet against the Danes get the title back, they have four Grand Prix riders in the team as well as a rider who seems hell bent on proving that he should be in next years Grand Prix, for me the other do not have the strength in depth that the Danes have. On a personal level would love to see the Aussie's do it, but I think that they are going to have to be satisfied with a runners up medal.

I am in no doubt that he will be ready and wanting to next season wanting be a permenant Elite League rider.

On Tai, I have heard rumours to suggest the same applies to him. Don't be surprised if he takes another season in the PL. i very much doubt that this is right I think that Tai will be an Elite League rider next season, if I was a Wolves fan I would ecited at the prospect at Tai riding at Monmore Green next season.

Have to agree, with you and why the post has not been censored is just as much annoying, it is disgusting and the language used went out a long time ago, really make my blood boil. :mad:

I totally agree with you Lioness, and I have been saying this all season, and last season about the guy, Tai is a very special rider. Every time I watch him ride you get the feeling that the guy just seems learn something everytime, and it is very rarely you see him make the same mistake again he learn's very quickly what is required. I think that his Dad Rob should take a big credit for Tai,I believe that he makes sure that Tai is surrounded by the right people, and says the right things, this goes arm in arm with the fact that Tai appears to be a very natural speedway rider. I think that he is the future of British speedway, and the sooner we realise it the better, I think we now need to plan for the future, and build a team around the lad, his success will encourage other young riders, they will look at the way Tai does it and copy, they may not be as successful, but I think that Tai is a gift to British speedway, and just people on this forum would stop looking into this Aussie thing, he has said that he will ride under the Brit banner, lets celebrate that we have a rider, who might just win us a World Title sometime. In fact I think that he might just have it in him to win numerous title, lets forget the new Russian sensation whatever his name is we have someone there who is more than match in Tai.

Not read through only skirted through the original posts on this subject, and I am glad that someone else is thinking along the same lines, I just hope that the BSPA, and the Team GB management are thinking along the same lines.

That is it then we are out SWC, what do we do next before we disappear of the radar, and become the new Hungary of World Speedway. My answer is clear and I hope that the BSPA listen and act, lets forget the senior team for the next two or three years and concentrate on our Under 21 team, and the younger riders. Forget the likes of Nicholls, Richardson, Stead and Allen they are old hat they have had their time, and lets face are not going to win us anything, and we need now to be brave. Lets put the emphasis on the Under 21 title, we have a young talent out there in Tai Woffenden, who all through in age is still only 17, but in riding terms is 21, start building a side around Tai, this lad is not just a very fine speedway rider, but also a fine leader. We need to act quickly, and one of the first appointments this country needs is to make some place in the England set up for Rob Woffenden, forget Loram, Havvy and Roscoe this is the man we need to advise us on how we progress, the man has nutured the rider that is possibly the best chance that we have to produce our next future World Champion. The first thing that the BSPA need to do next season is bring back the Doubling up rule, this country is obsessed with the idea that rider need to be in the Elite League full time to prove that they have the ambition, well last night proved a point Tai was in the World Cup team and was the brightest thing in the Team GB side, where was Lewis Bridger, never even made the squad of the last 7, Lewis is rider with talent and by rights the guy should have made the squad, for me the fact that Lewis went full time Elite and bypassed the Premier has been his biggest dowfall. Lets stop the obsession with young riders moving into the Elite full time, and insist that they have two years Premier League riding, let them double up, but lets let they lads build up their confidence win races earn more money. This will all take time, and the BSPA and us as fans have to patient, we are going to take more fall and lose or not qualify for certain meetings, but we need to stick to a plan and follow it through.

Well said Steve and I agree wholeheartedly another day another dollar I think the saying goes, I am sure that this will be a different Team GB coming out, and will do us proud.

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Not taking anything away from the Russian, or is actually Russian, I think I read somewhere that he is not actually Russian, just rides on a Russian licence, just that Subedei seems to think everything is great that Eastern European.

Total Rubbish.

Who gives a toss, I will be watching that other rare and precious Team GB talent Tai Woffenden instead, mind you if Tai had a surname that ended in ov, then we might just have seen you start a similar thread.

Read through all these posts, and what a really pathetic thread. Fair play to Middlo come on here and having his say, and total respect to him, I think that the guy is an excellent manager, but it was time to go for him, the words he had took them as far as he could spring to mind, nothing wrong with that and it happens to the best of managers in sport. Come on people we are judging Jim Lynch here on one performance, yes I think that he made a bad call going into the meeting with Simon Stead and Oliver Allen, and I would have gone with Tai Woffenden and Eddie Kennett, but I seem to remember a hell of lot peopleon here were sceptical on having Tai in the team anyway, and would have Middlo took the bold move, I don't know only he knows that, but history will show that I think he would not have. Onto the Captain Ego Subedei, how can you take the man serious when he waits until page 10 and numerous posts before he realises that we lost last night because of Simon Stead, and then he realises that this was a team event and then has a go at the Nicholls, but if you are British then Subedei is going to have a go. I tend to try and look at the positives, in the middle of the meeting team GB, came alive and started to show us that they can compete, we were a matchfor the other teams then, but it showed what we are capable of and what we can do, and I think that we need to look to draw a line under this meeting and move on. I just hope that if we don't qualifyfor the Final people lay of the likes of Tai and Eddie, what team GB needs to do is to plan for the future we need to put our faith in the Youth of team, and give them tlme, both Eddie and Tai are the top of a bunch of potentially very good crop of youngsters that we have in this country, and what is needed now is for us to get behind them and support them, yes they might not bring instant success, but I believe that we might just see some success if we do.

Just read the latest Backtrack magazine and have to say that it is very good again, particularly enjoyed the Rod Haynes column.

I did not have anyhting to eat in the Burger King, but used the toilet upstairs, and I nearly fainted with the heat, it was like a sauna, I swear I must be the only person to go in Burger King and come out two or three pounds in weight lighter.

Lets face it we are not going to win the Cup so I say give him a go.

Another thread on the same subject, this is becoming a bit of a pain, but once again I will say this Nicki will not have been effected by the booing, in fact if anything he will have been spurred on. Nicki has been involved in so many controversial decisions over the years if I had a pound for everyone I would be a very rich man, and I am sure that Nicki will not be bothered as on more occasions the decisions go his way, and Nicki knows the when to stay down and when to get off the track quickly. Again I will say that I did not boo Nicki, I like the guy, I think he adds spice to the Grand Prix, and I think that the Grand Prix would be a dull place without him.

Well Done Jason, I think people forget a rider actually won this Grand Prix.

Cheers, having missed the youngsters again at Cardiff, this was a real treat.

Totally agree with you Phil, this is not a training school, but is a chance for these lads to showcase their talents and is reward for the hard work that the kids and parents like yourself put in that year and over the years. I wonder if they had any similar posts like this one in Denmark, when they allowed their youngsters to have a ride at the Danish Grand Prix, I really do despair when I read posts like the one from Jeff, like Phil says this was done on invitation only, and as is a reward and gives the lads to soak up the atmosphere of a big crowd.

Have to say that I like and am a Nicki Pedersen fan, as I suspected it does not effect his riding, have to say I laughed at the booing, as I thought to myself what are they really trying to achieve, people need to remember it is the referee who makes the decisions not the riders.

The way I have always understood, you cannot call all 4 back at a Grand Prix, someone has to be excluded for the cause of the stoppage, maybe it is time for the all 4 back to be introduced to the Grand Prix series.

No problem, no offence taken, the Grand Prix would not be the same without Nicki.

No not like me. :oops: