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Yes, but if they hosted a gp a pre requisite would no doubt be that they bring in temporary seating as they did for the SWC.

Agreed. Though doesn't all this sound like exactly what Tai wanted to put in place? Didn't he spit the dummy over food and arranging an opportunity for a practice session in Poland that no one went to? Maybe my memory is off

It would have to be one of Poland and Sweden, which realistically means Sweden. Why would he choose to ride Britain rather than Sweden though?

Really? Didn't it hold 10000 or 120000 for the swc final? (Wiki says 18k which I think is wrong). How many GPS outside Poland get more than that? Cardiff, Melbourne. ..? I'd be surprised if there was any significant impact on Cardiff.

Why would you have to do it a week after each other and why would it be bending the rules?

I would say no. Given old pl averages were used for both leagues and the leagues were built to 40 and 50 respectively then I would say it's fair to say the top flight is 25% harder and therefore multiplying/dividing by 0.8 (or1.25) to convert between leagues is correct. Is be amazed if the bspa endeavoured to use any kind of statistical analysis given their failure to do so when that was the obvious solution to the skewed heat format in previous years.

I presume because the cl is 80% as strong as the pl, and in their wisdom they thought dividing by 1.2 was the same as multiplying by 80% - it's the only explanation I can think of.

Tbh the 1.2 (though really it should be a multiplier of 0.84) makes more sense than allowing riders in on old averages without a multiplier. But to use the hybrid system they are using (and dividing by 1.2 rather than using an 80% multiplier) just reeks of incompetence.

I thought they were dividing by 1.2?

Cook more 40 Emil more 40 Janowski more 20 Woffy 20 more Holder 20 more Killer 20 less Nki 20 less Lindback 10 more Zagar 10 more

Klindt 50 less A Laguta 75 more

He wouldn't have fitted at the start of the season without going with 2x2 pointers at reserve. He would only have fitted now as a swap for lambert or batch, neither of whom he is likely to outperform.Plenty of people criticising stars management, but tbf I don't think there is a lot to criticise from a team building perspective. All very well throwing names out but they need to fit the team building limit. Some of the other criticisms may be totally valid. If Holder had been scoring a dozen points each meeting as was expected that's about an 7 pt swing each meeting, and everyone would have been happy. If Holder had been scoring a dozen points each meeting as was expected that's about an 7 pt swing each meeting, and everyone would have been happy.

Because the bspa don't have a clue about averages and are making it up - badly - as they go along.

I don't think they need to be a experienced rider. But you need someone who can help re set ups etc. that is where team GB really missed tai - not just the 15+ points he would have scored but the knowledge of polish tracks. As it was team gb actually gated pretty well but looked like they were riding lawnmowers, even compared to the Russians. Anyone think if King had been in the squad we may have squeezed the extra couple of points needed for 3rd? Worrall was very impressive, Harris battled, Cook and lambert were surprisingly poor but no lack of effort - just totally off the pace, which was surprising given cooks great form this year. 4th is a decent effort without tai, with tai obviously would have picked up a medal, but to finish ahead of Aussie and Denmark is a sold result. I don't buy that it is purely to do with home advantage either - if we'd finished behind Latvia in the first round of behind Laguta less Russia in the play offs there would have been plenty of criticism of the Brits, no one would have blamed the draw.

Are people really complaining about the racing in the place off and the leszno track? Seriously? Not as good as the meeting in Sweden, but how many are? . Thought the play off was an excellent meeting and hopefully tonight is too

So g lagutas test was 4 weeks ago. Any link between failing that and him not being given a wildcard for the gp challenge in Russia? Some early information leakage while waiting for b sample testing?

People seem to be missing the fact that pf the 8 teams in the last round, the British round featured the sides ranked 1,3,6 and 7 last year. So theoretically neither meeting was harder than the other. The fact that USA were weakened this year without Hancock and that Latvia massively over performed shouldn't be taken as an issue with how the draw was done.

Bit surely the issue was that Newman has been averaging around 3.5. So once he got a "real" average based only on 2017 he would not have been able to be covered adequately.

Was he a 7 when he signed for Leicester this year? In which case presumably a 5 Mads can come in as a swap for Klindt?!?

If u need someone else to say take it to pm I'm happy to add my voice to that. Brum v flange Gavan and c4g v shovvy and starry Robert72v Gavan How many threads are cluttered with bollocks because those combos cannot stop irrelevant arguing. Not going to pass judgement on who is right and who is wrong but fml the forum would be better without that rubbish. Most of those posters are also quite capable of making good points when not simply arguing

Being a kiwi I'm reasonably aware of where Tasmania is! My point is that there is a difference between being born somewhere and being "from" somewhere. My brother was born in Huddersfield, but he's say he's from NZ given that he's only lived in the uk for 3 out of 34 years of his life.

Thanks arnieg. So out of 58 guest uses, 20 were more or less unavoidable as caused by injury/illness. Possibly could be reduced by saying guests can only be used for hl, for other riders number 8 or nl rider to be used.Of the other 38 instances, I'd be amazed if at least 30 couldnt be avoided with better fixture planning. So, with just a little effort the number of guests could be more than halved.

The preferred spelling for those in the know is r/r

Ah, good point!

Not like you to highlight Matts failings Starry