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Somewhat agree, though PC scoring 3 consecutive WTC maximums was quite some achievement, as was winning the pairs with 4 different partners. That said its hard to see how Tai could hsve performed better in the psirs this year (except for the final, PC would hsve tried to team ride!) and when GB picked up silver in thr SWC. Noting also that the cslibre of riders in these events is typically sttonger than that England faced in the same events in PCs era.

Surely the only two other post war Brits with a potential claim at being the greatest Brits are the two PCs. Peter Craven won two world titles, maybe could have won more but gor his tragic death. Most on here seem to believe he would have won no more than 1 in a gp series. Peter Collins was arguably the best rider in the world in 76/77. His effort in finishing 2nd in 77 is one of the alltine amazing feats. He had a superb record in the WTC and world pairs. Tai though i think has to rank above them. Certainly he is considerably better from the start and round the first bend thsn Peter Collins. Assuming he winsca third world title i think it is fair to say also he has been the best overall ider in the world in those years, even if Hampel in 13 and Zmarzlik in 18 would have some clsim. Woffy has also been superb for GB, even if his team mates mean he hasnt replicated the international success of Collins. All three regsrded as superb team riders, actually one area where collins was imo better than Tai. Who would have thought itvwhen everyone was moaning about him getting a wildcard in 2013!?! Next question is where would he rank against other 3x world chsmpions? Behind Crump and Olsen but ahead of Gundersen and Pedersen?

Would he have been in a gp series in 92?

Anyone else notice Nigel explaining why Nicki P missed out to Lindgren for the 8th semi final, "because he had a dnf"? No Nige, it was because he scored a point less than Freddie!

I know, Woffys gating has been superb the last few meetings

Decent GP in the end. Great result for Woffy. If he finishes thr job in Torun it must surely secure his status as the greatest british rider of all time

I thought it changed a couple of years back to allow it. Maybe first needs to have finished when the red lights go on? It just seemed commonsense, especially in these conditions. But if the rules dont allow it it's obviously a no go.

If the riders had refused to race i imagine we would have been flooded with complaints about modern riders not being prepared to race in the wet... I agree would happily see this called off. As it is just hope everyone completes the meetinh safely. Looks like Belle Vues luck continues... Anyone else think they should hsve awarded the first running of heat 4?

Zmarzlik is just as dirty/ruthless as freddie or Nicki. Its a trait that will likely help secure him a world title at some point - most world champs have pushed the boundaries at some point. Here's hoping for a good display from Tai to preserve a decent lead going to Torun.

Hsmpel vs Emil and Emil vs Ward at NZ GPs. Gundersen's heat 20 ride at the 85 world final. Countless superb races at hyde rd over the years, but not one which shines above the others (maybe Mort beating Carter at the 83 northern league riders, or Andy Smith beating Mike Lee in the league in the same season).

Not sure au/nz viable at any venue? You need a decent stadium. It will likrly therefore need temporary trsck laying. Logistics costs are high. Guess it would be interesting to know whether bill Buckley would have broken even if no fee was payable to BSI?

Ok. So realistically you would need to start with the 2 nz gps. For cost, logistics and weather regions. The point is, while i would love GPs back in nz, how can anyone justify a world championship event at a venue like Oreti park? And how on earth would it be financially viable?

So Nz stopped as it wasnt financially viable. They insisted on a local wildcard who was not competitive. Australia stopped as not financially visble. US noone has been found who thinks it financially viable. And if they did u csn be sure they would need a wild card- likely to be a rider of potential who would score 00000. Belle vue should happen, dont understand BSI reluctance. Iris has answered Vojens. So we have 1...

Meaning what, since 2017? Pretty sure Emil was given a spot for the 2017 series without going through the qualifiers? Not sure that's "a while" or why we couldnt be specific?

Congrats R&R and thanks for running it!

That Morton psss on Carter is superb. Thst 83 /meeting is arguably the best recorded at hyde rd? Most dont do it justice...

Id be willing to accept that if it wasnt for Zmarzlik waving to him 30 sec before tapes up..

Dont think it adds a headache at all. If he needs it he is nailed on for a wildcard. As are Doyle and Emil.

Hampel 1000 more Emil 1000 more Woryna 850 more

Do we bet on here or pm you?

Tbf Milik over holder wouldn't neccesarily have been a bad choice - suspect Milik would have scored similarly to Holder. Lebedevs has been poor this season and would likely be battling with Cook for 14th. Not sure you can comparr Lambert to those two. He's a young rider having his breakthrough season. Unlikely to finish top 10 next season but you could see him doing itvin his second gp season.

What does slow burner mean in terms of tenacity of riding? There wasn't a more tenacious rider than a teenage Andy Smith. Maybe you could use it with regards to his gating, which did improve over time (could hardly have got worse, he followed the footsteps of collins and mort in that regard!) Still think it is one of the last terms i would use to describe Andy Smith, and really dont see the similarities between his and Jack's careers so far?

Tbf, there is not a lot wrong with the GPs is there? World class line up, Generally excellent racing, some great tracks and some excellent stadiums. A couple of poor tracks and a couple of poor stadiums, but for the most part the series is everything you could want it to be. I will admit there have been a couplecof terrible refs this year (cardiff also springs to mind). The starts are cleaner and more even than ever, all thats needed is a way to ensure the race isnt called back when rider's make a perfect start - no issue for me with the warning system per se.

Noone on thid thread expects everything for nothing. They are just wanting what they paid for?

Poland is the number one reason the top riders arent in the uk. That, along witb the failure to realise we are in the 21st century, are the maim contributirs to the decline of british domestic speedway imo