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Would anyone have scorecard for this meeting? Many thanks

Which achieves nothing surely. All it means is poole (or other teams) can see which, if any, of their draft riders are underperforming and swap bates in if it seems he will be an improvement. To my mind, whoever had first pick after swindon should have first option on bates, and if a side does swap him in swindon should have first option on the discarded rider.

What I really want to know scb is whether your racecard is "truly innovative?"

Personally I reckon your top rider goes 5 and your second best goes three. For example id like to see the aces line up home and away:1. Nicholls 2. Palm toft 3. Cook 4. Worrall 5. Zagar. The number 4 slot is one I can see with definite potential to get a tac ride in heat 7 away from home.

Really...since 1982 then?Funny, I enjoyed watching the likes of carter gundersen morton and nielsen claim the title at hyde rd without realizing it was flawed...

Because someone asked, acknowledging that they were chsnging the subhect, about who is the greatest ipswich rider of all time...

I dont think its that simple to weight averages. Youd need to do some sort of calculation around meetings ridden as a second string. But then wgat about riders whose rolling average includes rides last season at reserve. Heat leaders who have appeared in most heat 15s compared to those who dont? Anyway rules for the season are out and no refrrence to weighting averages, arguabky too late now to try to introduce such a rule?

Of course the prudent - if morally suspect - thing for kl to do would be to wait until porsing has added a couple of points to his average, as he is likely to do under this format, and then aim to replace him with a "genuine" five pointer.Same would apply to bv with palm toft and poole with milik.

Isnt emil sponsored by red bull? You cant I imagine they, or his other sponsors (outside of russia?) Will be happy with this?

Looki g at gp odds, withdrawal of emil doesn't seem to have shifted other odds (although holder now only 7-1). You could cover ward tai holder nki hampel and Pedersen to win the title for a 10% return which seems easy money. Think all those riders look decent value now. Just wish nz tab offerred betting on this, as cant be bothered eith opening a uk account.

Supplemented of course by the "bread and butter" league income, and topped up by bookings in open meetings.As you say, Riders have never been well paid for world championship meetings or representing their country. It is a real shame for all speedway fans that emil won't be competing. And a very strange day as I agree with everything shovlar has posted on this thread!!!

Have to agree with that analysis. Id say wolves could easily finish anywhere from 3rd to 8th, though my prediction is 7th. Looking at tnts analysis, I make proctor as gaving an 11-8 record agaibst riders who will be opposition heat keaders in 2014, albeit withmore home than aaway matches. If he continues thst form he will increase his average, which goes against ythe ecpectstions I - and I assume others - may have had.

Of course under the old 13 heat format 4 and 5 paired up and five had the red or white helmet, and wss usually the heat leader (though I remember the mighty mort having a spell at 4 in the 83 season)

Agree, but football does now allow some swapping. Rory fallon represented england at age group level, but was then allowed to represent the all whites.

Id imagine ty will fluctuate between being a low scoring heat leader and a high scoring second string over the season . I think there will be a few riders (nick morris another) likely to be in this category.

As happenned throughout the 80s where 5 spots were reserved for (with a handful of exceptions) sub standard riders from the continental qualifying round.

You are so right steve. Haters gonna hate. I think the only way he is going to win back the hesrts of the bsf is if he converts to Islam.

Id say your right parsloes, but tbh more for the fact that it meant England's only realistic world champion of that era was no more, rather than the tragic/macabre/horrific nature of his actions.

Ffs. I think every single person on here enjoy s watching ward race, more so than practically every other rider. Almost all would like to see him fulfil his potential. No one has indicated they would like him to stuff up again - if only because we are selfish and dont want to be deprived of watching one of the most entertaining riders of all time. That does not mean we approve of his past off track actions.that lack of approval does not mean we have never made mistakes, but it is a fallacy to argue that most have made mistakes of a similar nature to ward. And tbh, I couldnt care less if ward is arrogant, and its quite possible he could win the world title without the ultra professional approach ttai took last year. However, come the end of his career, injuries not withstanding, if he hasnt been a multi world champ he will have to be regarded as having wasted his tslent.

ok but what you said was this i'm merely pointing out that in the same forum as these comments were aimed at Ward, similar comments have been aimed at other riders, hich is seemingly contrary to what you posted.

On the bsf. Search under carter or lee to see people's opinions on them. That said, the only time ive been sworn at on the bsf was when I had the temerity to suggest that kenny carter's crime was more serious than jerran hart's.

Perhaps because no other speedway riders have been before the courts on similar chsrges?Tbh I have seen kenny carter and mike Lee referred to in similar terms. Perverts! In nz we might love our sheep a little too much, but we would never stoop to donkeys. With tongue as well ?!? [quote name="Oldace" post="2410741" timestamp="1393358 Which of the four am i. Can i be mr fantastic?. I think its only appropriate that blaze is the hunan torch. As sid loves to point out bewitcher is never seen at el meetings so he has to be invisible woman. I guess that means Orion has to be the thing.

Would have loved to see them meet at the shay at their peaks. Pc rode it very well, lee famously destroyed carter in the golden helmet in 83.

So if there are only six riders u think csn win, and u rate nki as having as good a chance as any, then surely 10/1 is good value? What odds would u consider good value? U could bet on tai holder hampel and nki and if any of them won you'd be tripling your money.

Can get 10/1 on hampel holder and nki which seems like good value to me?