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Maybe The White Knight who rode for Sunderland...
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Greg Hancock How Good.?
waiheke1 replied to stratton's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
that's us told then. Clearly olsen was well short of tge standard if the likes of hackett, Robson, matousek etc.or did ole refuse to give you an Autograph? -
Assets - Who "owns" Who?
waiheke1 replied to 2ndbendbeerhut's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
not true. The aces in the early 80s regularly had "assets" riding for other clubs - neil collins and dave bargh for example and I believe peter ravn was only loaned out to cradlet in 83. -
Greg Hancock How Good.?
waiheke1 replied to stratton's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
currently he'd be top 50. Another title and I'd saythat would establish him with the two PCs as one of the top 3 all time brits, and top 20 of all time. -
A few people refer to nicki pedersen by a rude name! and of couse the aptly named dick barrie could be the mc
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no, just that he would have hydrated better
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If the side ran out of riders, Rod Hunter could be called upon to capture some new additions...
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Kelly and bobby got fined for being caught at heathrow in possession. darcy in aussie last summer. lee I believe had numerous possession/supply convictions. And gary and mark I believe both did prison time related to commercial quantity offences.
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yep, criteria waa an "official" offence, though couldn't recall if s morans ban was for alcohol or weed. Agree Shirra a bettee ridee than gary, but wasn't sure he was "official", and maybe quantity to trump quality,
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Matt FORD as promoter?
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Greg Hancock How Good.?
waiheke1 replied to stratton's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
Nice list sid, but I reckon penhall and nicki p have to be in there. Call me a rabid agist, but it would be a couple of the oldies (milne, duggan, farndon or wilkinson) to miss out. Maybe 3 as I might be tempted to include michanek as well. -
Steve Baker surely worth a squad place?
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A team of riders who enjoyed aspects of the rasta belief system 1 s moran 2 k moran 3 d ward 4 g Havelock 5 m lee 6 b schwartz 7 g guglielmi mechanic: M courtney 7
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Greg Hancock How Good.?
waiheke1 replied to stratton's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
I think this excercise has been done before. From memory consensus was that fundin may have won one or two more titles, briggo would have won the same or less, mauger 5-7 depending in if olsen could have pipped him in 71 or mich in 73. Ole would likely have won only 2 or 3. Of course for fundin to win more, it would for example mean the likes of craven, knutson or briggs would have won less. If knutson or craven wouldnt have won a gp series, does that show the world final was easier to win?as for the 15 world titles. At the start of the 81 seadon that list had only 5 from three riders, nine of ehom wiuld win a title agsin. Yhe current world top 25 have 8 or 9 between them (depends if you include gollob) ftom 4/5 world champs . I'd be surprised if they dont end up with at least 15 between them. Does that show more strengrh in depth now? yes to the first three without a doubt. Lee probably, perhaps around 16 just ahead of the likes of gollob michanek knutson -
Greg Hancock How Good.?
waiheke1 replied to stratton's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
agree on the second paragraph, but disagree on thr first.from memory eric was 2nd in the bl averages in 82, over 10.5 in 83, had a blip with the tape touching rules in 84, but was then over 11 (2nd only to hans) in 85/86. He was excellent in the bl, though as you say not as consistent as hans but with the ability to raise his game in world final night (h2h record against hans in finals I believe was 7-3 in eric's favour). scwarz is an interesting one. I thought the same as you, that gps would have suited him. But when I did a statistical ranking system for each year in the 80s, I think he was only a top 10 rider once (1982). So tbh im not sure he would actually have qualified (and would never have got a wikd card ahead of the likes of sigalis or morans or even king), and if he had I don't think he wouldhave been ggood enough to finish top 8 and stay in. Purely speculative and in my opinion of course. of course in 81 they were still three years away from winning a medal in a world final. Who would have known at that point that they would win 7 titles, but penhall, lee carter knudsen would go on to win only one more between them? You are right thought they would have cleaned up in the gos, from 84-89 they would have finished 1st and 2nd every season. Pretty much as they did in finals, were it not for erics implosion in 86 and ef in 89. -
Greg Hancock How Good.?
waiheke1 replied to stratton's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
although pc did ride a fair few meetings at number 1 for the aces away in 84.And of course, he was never the aces best rider in that 82-86 period, that was mort who rode at 3 (82-84), or 1 (85-86), though a number of meetings (esp 83) @4 and some @5. As bwitcher points out, you pretty much never had the top two from each side in the same race. -
Would be tempted to have one of king, cross, alan grahame or phil collins ahead of wigg, given that wiggy had just the one full season as a heathen. it's a pretty impressive line up for sure!
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Would still have some on poole at those odds. am I the only one that thinks leicester have an ok team and could be worth an each way bet at 10-1? That said all the teams this year look better than last year (except maybe kl)
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Greg Hancock How Good.?
waiheke1 replied to stratton's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
crump for me is the best of the three times world champs, on the basis of his 10 consecutive rostrum finishes.the thing with eric is that he was probably only the best rider in the world in one season. And arguably would have won less world titles if the likes of penhall lee sigalos hadnt been lost to the sport.against that, he may well have won more but for hid injury. Tbh I could place him anywhere 7th-14th depending on the day, id say he was my number 11. -
how about this:Millen Smith Dent Wells Gatenby Barclay Havelock
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Assets - Who "owns" Who?
waiheke1 replied to 2ndbendbeerhut's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
sid pwns you! -
Greg Hancock How Good.?
waiheke1 replied to stratton's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
Have to disagree sir h. I would say thr gp line ups are generally better than the old world final fields by some distance. Prettt much every year you were missing a couple of genuine title contenders in the final, as well as four or five no hopers making up the numbers. The 80s in particular (81 aside) the final was always missing some absolute top riders. -
Simmons, jessup for wimbledon? Though neither rode there while at their peak.
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Greg Hancock How Good.?
waiheke1 replied to stratton's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
Mauger T rick fundin briggs nielsen crump moore olsen penhall hancock On a different day I might have greg as high as 8th or low as 15th. Another title and I'd have him at 6th, if he wins two more he'd enter discussions on best ever. -
What The Visa Issues Could Mean For Teams.
waiheke1 replied to doners1234's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
Fourthbender - so just to be clear, you advocate an open door immigration policy for anyone whi has a job to come to? And fwiw, football clubs do have to abide by immigration criteria over who they can hire, and the criteria are arguably a lot stricter than speedways. see as an example how it was far from certain that arsenal would get a work permit for paulista.