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That was my point!

I didn't say he'd learnt to gate!

You'll probably use RR for Freddie and a guest for musielak!

Looking for positives, the racing was better than last year,Harris was on the pace and tai is top of the standings - it's not all bad!

But the relevant rules are all in the public domain. If proctor was granted - or believed he was granted - special exemption surely both he and Sheffield would make sure they got it in writing from ukvi.If they did I'm sure we would have heard by now as they would have grounds to appeal. If not then we don't need any additional information, or to have attended meetings, to know where the blame lies.

Surely the blame exclusively lies with Sheffield?

Tbf I'd expect garrity to score 4 from the hl position - would prob pick up a point against each of Lambert porsing wells and schlein? Still far weaker than using RR which I would expect to return at least half a dozen.

A rider averaging 7 as a second string is performing worse than a heat leader averaging 6 so I see no issue with a system which would reflect that.

And no one understands duckworth lewis but its by fat the best system cricket has had.Yes I'm amazed by the number of strange ideas people have about averages - no idea where the heat15 one came from but it was raised on the ty proctor thread again.

They pay the riders prize money, which from memory is under half that figure. And the rest is a mystery.

Thstwould be the best way to go scb, though a simple weighting based on meetings ridden (hl,2nd srimg or rrseve) would be ok. Thing is people would complain that they didn't understand it.

Yeah it probably should have been 30%, but a number of forum posters suggested this. It should have been done and tbh should apply for any mid season declarations, use of guests etc. Ford may have had his own interest in doing this, but tbf in this instance he is right

I'm gonna send sid to sort him out.But seriously 20% of this thread is people complaining about the length of this thread (and responses to the complaints).

And as a kiwi I' d be happy to be as "weak" as USA!

But thus isn't a speedway thing, its an immigration thing.I do have a lot of sympathy for ty, and he should have no issue getting a top 4 state champ finish to qualify for a visa for next year.

But given all work visa requirements are based on rolling averages why would u think this would be an exception to that rule? And surely if getting an exception you'd ask for confirmation in writing?

Exactly. I've pulled out the stats on this. Inthe designated reserve heats, Worral scores 2.1pts per ride vs Nielseon's 0.9 pts (2.3 v 0.9 if you include bp) In the other scheduled reserve heats (i.e.the ones where they race 2nd strings, I am excluding heats where they replace a heat leader), Worrall averages 0.9pts v Nielsen's 0.6 (1.0 vs 0.7 with BP) So - Worrall is performing around 50% better than Nielsen in heats where he is elegible to take one of Nielsen's rides . That's the same proportionate difference as a 9 poiint rider vs a 6 point rider - if Kings Lynn could choose to use NKI to replae Porsing in one of his heats each meeting, how often would they do it - I'd imagine EVERY TIME unless the result was a foregone conclusion. I haven't checked, but I'd imagine most reserve combinations for other sides would be similar (Lakeside would be an exception) - some sliughtly less different, some slightly greater. But it's surely simply bad management from a results perspective not to use your better reservce five times a meeting, except where the result s a foregone conclusion, or the stronger rider is having an absolute mare/weaker rider having a bblinder. The Aces have used Worral for the extra ride in only 4 out of 9 meetings, and taht includes some clos emeetings where an extra point could have ended up being vital.

tbf, you probaly are the side that has overperformed against expectations - the only thing I'd change form my pre-season predictions is that I'd swap you and Leicester from my original pick of 8th and 5th, to a revised pick of 5th and 8th (and Swap Coventry and Poole from 2nd and 1st to 1st and 2nd). Unbeaten at home (one of only 2 sides with that record) and with an away win thrown in is a pretty solid start.

Riders say stuff all the time and then change their minds. A start to the road to repairing relationships would have been to let him ride in the pairs meeting. GB doesn't have enough riders of international standard to not at leats make an effort to get Scott to reconsider Maybe they have, but comments around the pairs event dont indicate this..

Tbf if we picked Nichols we would have a top 3 competitive with any nation, plus Lambert who has tonnes of potential. That side would capable of finishing on the podium on a good day against full strength opposition, and cert mainly this season with Aussie missing ward and doubts about whether Russia will be full strength.

Oldace stated his view (which I agree with) that both sky and GPS had SLOWED the decline of British speedway.Why have go riders deserted British speedway? Its hardly due to GPS, where the earnings aren't great. Its because they can earn a lot more money in the Swedish and polish leagues. The UK's scattergun approach to scheduling doesn't help, but if the wages matched those in Poland riders would find a way to make it work

Richie is averaging a point more than Steve in the pl and is a better option at kl imhoGarrity is an inexplicable omission

Nicholls clearly isn't going to be picked, and I'm pretty sure Schlein isn't elegible? So it's got to be Tai, Harris, Lambert and one other. I'd probably go Lawson for this round, but could equally go King/Barker/ or even Garritty/R worrall. Cook I think has a pretty horrible record at Kings Lynn, but would probably be my choice for the next round. So my ten would probably be: Tai, Harris, Lambert, Lawson, Cook, Barker, King, Garrity,Howarth, Newman. Realistically, I see no point in naming of a ten man squad, but if you're doing it you may as well name a couple of youngsters who won't get a meeting (e.g. Howarth and Newman). Well, Onesport should have updated the line up, but it might have impacted on the gate, and they have a track record of mis-leading the public You'd have though the BSPA/SCB would have made a atstement about a change in line up, but for some reason they didn't Tai should never have needed to be the one putting out the press release, but did so in the end due to a bunch of pathtic whingers, who continued to whinge even after he'd explained the situation. Good to see him go out and post a 15 point maximum as his response.

1,2,3 "WHOOSH!" Not your best post Sid

Has it been confirmed that the riders refused to ride the remaining heats? or did they vote unanimously for it to be discontinued and the officials agreed the track was too dangerous?