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What you say gc is true in some ways, though don't agree with the specifics. I'm not sure how Ivan would have stayed sharp enough to race GPS without racing in the BL, though appreciate he may have skipped the odd meeting -certainly no modern gp rider has been able to successfully opt out of league racing, if only because the income is needed to fund the gp efforts. It has also proved incredibly difficult to retain titles, so while I expect mauger would have dominated the early 70s I'm not sure he would have significantly increased his number of titles. Ole was also pretty professional, and then of course you have the pure talent of Collins and lee

That would be the holder who dropped to 2md string this year? And woffy/killer who haven't raced el this year (bar a handful of meetings). The el with current format has more evenly matched races than ever, evidenced by most riders averaging around 6, with the very best averaging around 8? Compare to the pl where cook averages over 10

He would have been on the podium almost every year in the 70s I reckon, but champ only twice imo. Collins would have won a couple, Lee one, michanek maybe 1, and Ivan the rest. Agree Hans would likely have won 6-9 titles under the current format.

I think all sides will win their home matches. If kl can win at Leicester that should be enough for them, ditto aces at wolves. but definitely concerned that Swindon could squeeze Past the aces if we fail to pick up points at wolves and that is far from a certainty

In a gp system though I reckon Olsen would have only won 2 or 3 titles. 75,78 any other years?

A laguta at 23. Working on historic seasons, but starting by redoing the 80s with improved methodology and then will look at 70s/90s. Depends how much free time I get.

Leon is 26th, sandwiched between Hans Andersen and tomasz gollob.

The ranking system includes all league matches in top two flights in Britain, Denmark and Sweden and top flights in Czech and Denmar.Also includes GPS, SEC, SWC, SEC pairs, national championships, World U 21s, GP qualifiers and Ekstraliga final riders championship. Meetings up to 3 August. 1 TAI WOFFINDEN 11.45 2 NICKI PEDERSEN 10.62 3 EMIL SAJFUTDINOW 9.90 4 Jarosław Hampel 9.79 5 GREG HANCOCK 8.96 6 PIOTR PAWLICKI 8.96 7 MACIEJ JANOWSKI 8.71 8 NIELS KRISTIAN IVERSEN 8.56 9 ANTONIO LINDBACK 8.51 10 Martin Vaculik 8.50 11 PETER KILDEMAND 8.42 12 Piotr Protasiewicz 8.22 13 Grigoriy Laguta 8.12 14 BARTOSZ ZMARZLIK 8.03 15 MATEJ ZAGAR 8.01 16 Przemyslaw Pawlicki 7.82 17 JASON DOYLE 7.73 18 CHRIS HOLDER 7.55 19 ANDREAS JONSSON 7.49 20 Fredrik Lindgren 7.33 The next Brits on the list are Harris (32nd), Nicholls (41), Cook (42), King (51) and Lambert (57). Darcy excluded from the list as he's ridden under 10 meetings this season, but would othersise have slotted in in 14thspot. List is remarkably similar to Dolgin's rankings (based on performance over last two years) - we have the same top three in order, and the only differences in riders included in respective top 20s is that I include Prz Pawlicki, Jonsson and Lindgren wheras he has Ward (7th), Kolodziej and Hamill (!?!). https://docs.google....T3c&hl=ru#gid=0

According to Peterborough site bsn expected to be lifted. But as an ex boro fan I'm sure u know that.

Would have to be top ten Sid. Best rider of his era apart from mauger. Pick of the three time world champs for mine, though would rate him behind Hans in terms of greatest Dane.And certainly in the top handful of visiting riders around Hyde rd

I presume those folks must have stopped going in 83 after the aces won the premiership by using a TAC sub in the final heat of the 2nd leg to get the required 5-1 which gave them a 2 pt win on aggregate?

Harris won't get a wildcard.Lindback deserves a spot, and kildermand has a decent claim. Emil will be offered a wildcard as will Darcy. Laguta hasn't entered qualifiers for gp for years. Pawlicki/zmarzlik could well get a wc if no pole qualifies from challenge. Remember how many poles there were in world finals in the 80s who were there effectively under a quota system - far less competitive than the likes of Harris and jonsson.

How are young Brits of genuine ability going to improve in a league like that where the quality would be barely higher than current pl?

Thanks Ghostwalker

anyone have a link to averages including bp (can only find excluding bp). thanks

Just hope we get all those riders in the series next year. A line up of those plus the Nicki,Greg holder, puk,zagar,killer,lindback,doyle, hampel and one other would be a brilliant line up. Just hope the "right" riders get through the challenge and best riders picked for wildcards (and Emil realises that being world champ is what the sport is about)

Im certain you don't. Illegal use of guest? Or was he racing somewhere else?

Just the latter would be great, many thanks norbold.

Would anyone have the results for this series of meetings and final in 1980? thanks

Surely that time shows some issue with the track? It's not like Leicester have anything to gain tbh, they have no chance of making the playoffs. Difference vs cov meeting is ref doing an inspection BEFORE heat ten and agreeing track unsafe?

Would it be stronger than two seasons ago when both were in it?

When you say he's "been easily led", who would you say he has been led by?

I would have thought there would be very few who would flag cardiff, the majoriry would surely do this in addition? As well as attracting those who cannot afford cardiff, or even "lapsed" northern fans, who may then be tempted to do cardiff as well?

If a swc final is financially viable I don't see why a gp shouldn't be? What extra costs are there? Tbh I can only think of the bsi fee, which is moot if they promote it themselves. And u could charge higher ticket prices - surely sell out 12k with say an average ticket price of 40 quid?With incidental spend you've got to be looking at half a million revenue before sponsorship. I presume monster provide some entertainment. The track is already laid, and the aces "own" the stadium lease so no additional cost there (presumably aces would charge bsi a modest fee if bsi promote, or aces could promote and profit share with bsi) Malilla proved rain is not insurmountable. I really have yet to see a compelling argument against it.

Thanks all