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Would you still buy a Kodak camera? A vhs? A blackberry? How would u say Nokia's failure to reactbto the I phone went? Consumer demand changes, and successful businesses do not remain successful by doing what they did 40, or even 4, years ago. Bwitchers is spot on. It is speedways failure to adapt that is the issue

Collins loram and Jan o I would say were worse gaters. Ermolenko on a par? Notably all single world champs.Natural talents - kelly Moran is a good comparison, though I'd suggest ward is far more professional. S Moran, sigalos, jansson, Emil (so far), Knudsen went without world titles. Lee and Collins won only one each.

You are right of course mark246, my mistake. There were still far more fatalities in 70s/80s than in modern speedway

On so many levels this wouldn't work. Riders wouldn't get an off season, riders would be rusty riding only GPS, stadium availability would be an issue, crowds would be less likely to attend in winter even with a roof etc.

So it was an illegal guest after all?I presume scb spotted the czezh meeting somewhere?

the thing is though tWK is that you've said the reason you don't like the tactical ride is that it's unfair/fiddling etc Yet (and GC put it very well imho), despite the fact that most of us dislike the TR, it is a lot fairer than its predecessor the tac sub. It's therefore hard for us to comprehend that you would quit the sport because of a rule, that is less bad (from the perspective of fairness, which you've said repeatedly is your sole concern) than one you tolerated for 20+ years previously. To me, it seems your like a wife who leaves her husband becuase he leaves the toilet seat up. Yes, it may well be that it genuinely annoys her. And she may even fool herself that that's the reason she's leaving. But in actual fact, while that may be the "last straw", if she was still i love, and everything else was fine, she'd be able to tolerate the toilet seat thing. I think you're that wife TWK, the toilet seat (TR) was the last straw for you, but you fell out of love some time ago.

TBH in 2014 he was averaging roughly the same as Hancock/KK etc before they were injured. So even if they hadn't been injured he was in with a great chance. Of course the fact they did get injured could have handed him the title. In 2013, i think he was probably behind only Emil and Tai in points per meeting? so, without any injuries i imagine he'd have a couple of bronze medals. With injuries (but without a ban) he'd probably have one gold.

The four you named were arguably multiple world champs BECAUSE they didn't have bad injuries. Look at any era, the multiple world champs have very few major injuries over their career. But I believe far less riders have their careers ended by injury nowadays. If I look to stars from the 80s, I canoff the top of my head name Gundersen, Jonsson, Sigalos, S Moran, Joe Owen, Jan O Pedersen whose careers were ended by major injuries. you could possibly add peter collins to that list. others such as knudsen and ermolenko recovered from major injuries, while i can remember plenty of other spending lengthy times on the sideline on multiple occasion (Carter, Evitts, Smith etc.). I can't think of too many modern era stars whose careers have been ended by injury? and then of course were the fatalities, the likes of Hewlet, Aldertson, Pyeatt, Craig Featherby, Leif Wahlmann and others dies on trak in the 80s. In the 70s you had Jansson and Peterson off the top of my head. Apart from the tragic loss of Rico, I struggle to think of any other fatalities in the current decade? guests weren't so prevalent in the 60s/70s as you didn't have the added complications of double uppers andriders missing due to european league commitments, often local juniors or number 8s would cover absences etc. Not sure why you think there being more teams in the league should make injuries more prolific? Unless you mean riders rode more meetings, but i don't think that's true as most EL riders are riding in at least one other league. that's true (re airfeances), and possibly (re the bikes) However the claim was that the top riders of yesteryear were seriously injured less often, and that's clearly not the case

Is he good enought to? Yes. Would I like him to? Yes - much as I disapprove of a lot of what he's done, he (along with EMil) is probably the most exciting rider in the world to watch - it would be a hude ahme if he wastes the talent. Will he- who know, but I think he will. Spot on. In most generations, the most talented rider is not the one who wins the most ttitles. Peter Collins was porbably more talented than Mauger/Olsen. Lee and K Moran arguably more talented than Hans and Erik. Gollob more talented than Hancock. Ward is probably more talented than Tai, but I think he will win less titles. I'd suggest that what those examples show is that gating is more important than ability from the back when it comes to winning world titles. And that professionalism, dedication and remaining injury free (look at say Sigalos/Knudsen) are arguably as important as talent (though obviously talent is also a pre-requisite) I think those examples also show that when we call someone "naturally talented" we tend to mean they "brilliant from the back" wheras good starters are often dismissed as "gating tarts." Not sure that's true. He would have likely finished on the podium in 2013 but for injury, and arguably would have been world champ last year but for his ban. He averages over 11 in GPS which puts him in pretty elite company. I agree re: the gating though. Worth noting that you clearly explain your reasons here why you don't think he'll be world champ, yet Sidney has subsequently asked repreatedly why you don't think he'll be champ?

Wasn't that meeting the day after the el meeting he missed?

Or you improve the product so people will pay 20 quid, or so more people will pay 10 quid.

Ok. So the rule book is wrong and they are right?

Surely the season is 6- 7 months though a single round comp with 8 teams would just be the 7 home leafuemeetings I would imagine for many cost per season is as important as cost per meeting. Suggest clubs could also run a pl or nl side as well if they thought there was sufficient demand.

So one major incident a season? Must be plenty of riders with worse records than that? I thought the old time riders like jack millen were meant to be way dirtier? Of course Nicki has had his whole career in the erw of televised speedway so every hard/reckless/dirty move has been captured.No angel sure, but this season the likes of Doyle and killer have been involved in far more incidents.

Yeah but Ipswich is the most central speedway track that is in Suffolk, begins with I and has camping facilities nearby, so I think you are all wrong and gustix is right

Can u explain why you think it works this way? And why you think the rule book which sets out how it works should be ignored in favour of your made up version? Except that it's fictitious nonsense that ignores the rule book?

If I recall correctly (iirc) Hl heat leader

People have quoted the relevant rule for you more than once.Why do u persist on posting this nonsense?

I agree the loss of Kerr weakens you.But nki bjerre milik and porsing at home should get you what Lambert would. And you can't tell me that lindgren for Lambert away isn't an improvement? Exactly. People were saying north wouldn't try in his last meeting as a guest and he scored double figures

I think the gp line up is stronger Sid, not by a lot, but is stronger imo Do u have a link to it? Was it part of his long awaited statement?

Iirc guests used to only be for hl as well, with number 8s or Juniors covering for absent 2nd strings and reserves.

Or RR at home and horses for courses guests away. Don't think this weakens kl at all.

What is Lambert's rolling average? Given it has been achieved as a second string surely they can potentially get stronger riders as guests, who have a similar average but from the hl spot?

Agree about the first part, but nothing "cheap" about winning this year's world title.

Lindgren 1500 more A laguta 1000 more Lindback 300 more