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Pk on a 5.5 is an excellent signing. His average is artificially low because he rode most of last season as hl. Simply because this season he will get some time at reserve and second string he will add well over a point to that average Imo.

I think that would depend on who they had signed in the top 5 as the extra second string. ..but for sure they would be a lot stronger. And fact is garritty would have got to spend plenty of time in the top 5 anyway.

You understand that his average will be based on his last 20 meetings? No way will Ellis average 8 over 20 meetings, given some of those will be in the main body of the team.And if he is averaging over 8, then he won't go back to reserve spot will he?

Why would it matter if it was the last few matches of the season they spent at reserve - rolling average is based on 20 meetings.The same problem has been in place the last two seasons since this heat format was introduced.

But Chapman surely was in the room when all these decisions were voted through?

And the thing is, at least 50% of people on here are moaning that Poole get an advantage under the current system. It's no wonder Poole do well, Ford is one of the few (only?) promoters to understand the impact of different rules.

Ellis is not comparable to pk as ellis' rolling average started only this season I.E. edr riders do not have a genuine rolling average.Pks average is based on last 20 matches. So his average will be far less elastic than the edr riders. If ellis spends half the season at reserve, and a quarter each at hl and 2nd string, his average will end up around 6 Imo (he will average about8 as reserve, 3 as hl 5 as 2nd sting imo).

It was ridiculous that converted Pl averages were used, and yes Poole benefitted.But Poole Imo gain less from having a holder or Pedersen at reserve than a team with weak reserves benefits. It's questionable Imo whether holder atcreserve strengthenso Poole compared to Newman being in that position. Either way, by the time we get to the playoffs I think most riders will gave had time in each slot and averages should actually bear some reflection of ability.

Pretty sure it was established he is Robert homer (the 1972 version). Record viewable on the proboards site

I think people overstate the impact, you can't just look at what the reserve scored but what the edr in the top 5 scored as well, and then compare to what you would expect them to have scored if riding positions were reversed. To me the current system favors sides with weak reserves, sides like Poole probably benefit the least (and hence would benefit most from edr having to stay at reserve). End of the day the issue is that once they decided edr could be promoted (and I think that is a good thing), they should have gone back to a conventional format.

Are you aware of the concept of rolling averages? Pk would need to be averaging about 25 per 4 rides to get his average up to ten by the next set of green sheets!An independent board is a good idea though, but who would fund it, appoint members etc.

Yes those are sky bet odds and agree they are the reverse of what you'd expect. I posted earlier I didn't see value outside of the favorites, but on a big track stead may be worth a punt at those odds.

Predictable? Been plenty of surprise results.Rules bendable? The only rule bending I can think of this year is tungate gate. Edl farce? Agree the heat format should have changed. But the progress of riders like garritty worrall and Ellis surely suggests it's working. From all accounts racing this season gas been excellent and some close meetings. The biggest farce this season was the hl list, I'll agree with that being terribly executed.

The issue is that when the scheme started there weren't enough brits u21 of a suitable standard, and you would struggle even now to get 16 riders u23 of the right quality.

If batch hits from then Kl have a top four as good as anyone. TheIt real issue is reserve and there is no easy solution there. Coventry could upgrade woryna and have a very competitive side, but chances are they won't make the needed change, and it's apparent what a bad move it was not to start garritty at reserve. Poole still very strong favorites Imo, ahead of aces. Without changes, don't see any other side as potential champs. Wolves will make play offs bit not strong enough to win it. Fourth play up spot very much up for grabs.

Nki more 50 Killer more 30 Thomson more 10 Pawlicki more 20 Aj more 20 Zagar 10 more Lindgren 10 less Harris 10 less Tai 10 more

Don't agree entirely. Over a scheduled 4 rides each yes. Because pk will take at least 6 rides, I'd say it's pretty much equal. Of course some will look at pks inevitable double figure score and say you've been strengthened, and ignore how much extra how art would score at reserve, and I would disagree with them also.

Odds on cook and Nicholls seem reasonable. After the lakeside meeting cook would be where my money would land. Hard to see a winner from outside the four favorites, unless it's s worrall Don't see any value on the outsiders in the field

Yes. Leaving out the rider who is likely to be our number one for the next decade makes perfect sense. Why you haven't been made gb manager is second only to why you were never capped as a rider in the list of great speedway injustices of the modern era...

And no way do you need to go into that level of detail. Just explain that if a rider is injured they can be replaced by a rider of equal or lower average from another team.

😂😂😂😂😂 yes, bates clearly should be in the squad ahead of a rider who is likely to be the greatest brit of all time. Clearly anyone who thinks otherwise knows nothing about speedway😂😂😂😂😂 can't believe nz used to pick Maufer even when he skipped our national champs . Tbf, as the reserve has to be u21, if lambert justifies a place in the top 4 then Ellis or bates may be reserve and tai picked ahead of one of the others. Given that bates has never represented gb in the senior swc not sure your use of the word "drop" is accurate..that's a surprise...

Surely the withdrawal on Thursday strengthened robins, if roscoe has used irr correctly. And his absence clearly strengthened you for this.That said he is clearly carrying an injury. If he does take two weeks off now fair enough..There has to be a point where you say enough is enough and while last night being that point is highly convenient for swindon, I don't think there can be complaints if he now misses meetings for both his team til fit. As a side note, if swindon are serious about making play offs, someone like bjerre as a replacement would make sense and now a good time to do it. Wow, so it's not just tai you save your bile for. Is it anyone who is successful? Can't understand why tai and Doyle haven't engaged you to guide their careers,seeing as how you achieved so much and they so little..

Yes. Bates instead of tai clearly makes that line up better...

With Ellis and bates you have to think we would have been well in the mix for a spot in the final. Looks like ,unsurprisingly, lambert Fricke and Kurtz a notch above the rest of the field.

Even a Friday night on a non gp weekend, as isn't that one of belle vues official race nights?