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You also might have to factor in, thats any riders needing replacements/new equipment of whatever are subject to having to shop in a captive market. So its not hard to see that it could easily turn into a money pit.

That has to be one of the best things av heard in a long time

Your maybe not a million miles away there.

You started it jenga, so can you not get it shut down, 'the thread that is'.

You probly have, but didn't hear it, lol

That is very good and well said. The last sentence probly says it all. Its maybe best to tip it all over the edge, as there comes a time to stop the debate, especially with someone so narrow minded.

Not sure where I have tried to explain any of their actions, but sure you'll remind me. Please take the time out to read what you quoted, without seeing red before the end. If you still think that is defending them, that's fine. If you look at it from a different angle, then maybe it's just a case of not blaming them. Hey-ho

No, a don't think so, but it's a small world, which will never be short of clowns.

See,,, ye just can't have a diplomatic debate without someone bringing up the past

Just tell them straight Dave, that's the best way,,, just hope their not over sensitive

No, and I remember the first part of your post. You've said what you like to see or not see. Is that what all fans want to see and do they see it?,,, If not they might think about not returning. Some people (geeks)?,,, might be into the rules and regulations of the sport, and that is a proper can of worms. I don't think that the ever changing rule book helps tho, but who is responsible for making the rules?,,, Not everyone might be of the same opinion as you and might attend the meetings for a different buzz. Good, close, exciting meetings are a great spectacle, but don't happen too often,,, so what's that down to?

No need for a PM, if jenga was, as you say that bad or whatever, why wasn't he just told to ffff off and not come back?,,, am sure it's not too much to oust one bad apple from your place of business, before all the rest were infected. Surely all promoters have the right to refuse entry. No smoke without fire. But putting all that aside, speedway is losing popularity, there will be debates on why from many fans for whatever reasons. What do fans want to see, what do fans not want to see? or should they just be told what to see?

Not saying there isn't a right or wrong way of doing things, but by folk saying it's the stay away customers isn't right either. If you have a shop and people stop coming in, eventually the shop will shut. I don't think you can stop folk from moaning/complaining especially in today's society, but it's a 2 way street. If you fail to see failings in a business its likely to go t!ts up. I don't accept 'jenga's dodgy cuppa' as what's behind speedways failings, it may not help, but surely it's not the straw that broke the camels back.

and THJ So they say, and what happens when the customer doesn't feel that the product on offer isn't for them anymore?,,, they may stop going to that particular place. So it is quite possible that the fall in attendances may be linked to the product on offer.

Whatever happened to 'the customer is always right'?

is that the 'low-down' like John, honestly?

Pedersens 11 pt ave. would soon drop after he's completed a couple of qualifying matches. The conversion is only for team building, isn't it?

Possibly missed out his middle name,,, Christian?

You maybe best get your sailors flag back up in the window Dave

Ully?

Could it be a PL rider on a converted average?

Maybe he's lost it down the back of the settee Dave, bet he's got a big settee

I agree, there's probly a difference between brickies/plumbers and restaurant owners, but there all selling their product to customers.

So, can you run a business without being 'self employed',,, or do you you mean you can manage a business as an employee?

I thought being self employed is all about running your own business