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Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
TRUE but I am sure we all strive to be... I DIDN'T say otherwise ... I simply pointed out that those involved with the SGP have nothing to do with cricket. Semantics my dear man... -
Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
BSI aren't involved in cricket. BSI is a separate entity within IMG, have their own staff and Managing Director (Paul Bellamy) who is answerable to IMG's Head of Global Motorsport (Rob Armstrong). Humphrey's posts are thoughtful and nicely composed although not always 100 per cent accurate. -
Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
SWEDEN'S population may be ethnic but its demographic is not like that of the UK. It is just a fact that large swales of the UK population have no interest in speedway or motorsport in general and are never likely to. But, of course, we just don't have the cub culture that they do in Sweden and Poland and I do believe that is a major factor and something that we have never really overcome. Clubs in Poland and Sweden are much more part of their local communities like the soccer teams here. Favourite riders being shipped off years ago (rider control) was nothing like what we have now. The old Belle Vue team for example was virtually unchanged for many a year. Would both Peter Collins and Chris Morton have survived there now along with the likes of Chris Pusey and the great Alan Wilkinson? Do you believe that if the GPs went away British speedway would instantly and miraculously be rejuvenated? Or that the riders now giving it a miss would come flooding back. It is time to stop moaning about the SGP and try to regenerate British speedway as best we can. Scunthorpe and Somerset showed over the weekend that it can still be great entertainment when performed on decent tracks and with evenly matched teams. The ingredients are there, the chefs just need to work it out. Still don't know what this has to do with a Joker... TWK ... don't take it so personally. Speedway has to find a new and younger audience. Cricket was going the same way but came up with new formats that appealed to the public at large. There are many who don't like 20/20 but if cricket relied on the traditional county game for its income it would be dead and buried. -
2013 Best Ever Gp Line Up?
PHILIPRISING replied to Gavan's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
KEEP the faith ... -
Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
AND how do you suggest we (presumably you mean the BSPA?) break away from it? And how would that benefit British speedway? Of course I am interested in speedway as a whole. It is my business and, believe me, it isn't getting any easier. -
Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
WHEN have I ever said everything in the speedway garden is rosy? I simply stated that I don't think the SGP series, which is going from strength to strength and which has just enjoyed a tremendous season, is to blame for the troubles in the UK. Okay, Saturday night GPs have done the UK no favours. But many of the other problems are self-inflicted. Too many silly rules, too much dumbing down to the lowest denominator. Obviously this year the weather has dealt us (and by that I include Speedway Star's sales) a major blow. And, much as it would solve many of the problems, Elite league tracks all racing on the same night is never going to happen. Like it or not it is the top stars who attract the fans who might not otherwise go. That isn't exclusive to speedway of course. But British speedway simply hasn't addressed the problem that has grown out of Poland in particular and also Sweden allied to the fact that there are far fewer British born or based riders than used to be the case. Poland may be rueing the cost now or in the near future but the strength of their league and the wages their clubs pay has provided many riders with enough money, along with Sweden, to boycott the UK. These guys are not anti-British speedway by any means but racing on a Sunday in Poland and a Tuesday in Sweden is very convenient. Those who still commute back to the UK are diminishing all the time. It is costly and and time-consuming, especially when there are alternative and easier pickings to be had in Denmark, Germany, the Czech Republic and so on. This is the real world in which we live. There was a time when most riders spent Monday to Saturday racing in the UK and a lucky few then hot-footed it to the continent for lucrative grasstrack and longtrack bookings that were the icing on the cake. Those days are long, long gone. And the money that the likes of Briggs, Mauger and Olsen could demand in Germany especially pales when compared to what some of the top speedway stars now receive in Poland. The SGP has nothing to do with the fact that many riders are simply financially better off not coming here. But the powers-that-be here haven't come to grips with reduced rider availability and cut their cloth accordingly. Lowering the points limit does not ensure lower rider costs. That has been proven. British speedway requires a radical shake-up, thinking outside of the box, innovative ways of attracting people back to the sport, providing better entertainment and value for money. Of course some of the traditionalists might be annoyed but they are getting fewer and fewer anyway. One thing that always trikes me when I watch domestic speedway in either Poland or Sweden is how much younger the audience is, how speedway seems to appeal to a younger generation there than it does here. But then those countries don't have such an ethnic population as we do and it is a fact that many in Britain have no interest in motorsport, and particularly motorcycle racing, and bow only at the great god soccer. Constantly changing teams from year to year alienates many fans who see their favourite rider shipped off elsewhere, a points limit as such patently doesn't work otherwise teams wouldn't finish so far apart at the end of the season. Fine in theory but not in practice. Speedway is on a slippery slope in Britain and it has to find ways of providing what the people want at a price they can afford. Not an easy puzzle to solve, I agree, but we must try. And before you ask, no I have no idea what this has to do with the SWC Joker either... -
Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
YOU cannot seriously believe that! Sadly, you probably do. To blame all the ills of British speedway at their door is frankly ludicrous. -
Sgp 2013 Riders
PHILIPRISING replied to smiles's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
NOT at all. If he seriously wants to make it in the Grand Prix then he will have to change some of his ways. If not, then he seriously risks blowing his career before it has even got started. -
Sgp 2013 Riders
PHILIPRISING replied to smiles's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
BSI covered this in their Press Release and when asked really had nothing further to offer. Yes, a British presence is preferable but only if they think the candidate is of the required standard. They believe - as do some of the people they asked - that Woffinden has a much better chance of holding his own and even to do far better than he did two years ago, which in hindsight was too soon for him. I do think that if not Woffinden then they might well have gone without a Brit. But, as they say, many feel that Woffinden has the talent, will have much better engines in 2013 than he did last time out, and could develop into an authentic GP rider. The view of many on here about Woffinden isn't universally shared although personally I do feel that he, like Ward, will find next season a make or break year for their GP and World Championship aspirations. Woffinden doesn't possess the sublime natural talent of Ward but both will need to come of age off the track, take a leaf (quite a few actually) out of Holder's book and realise what can be achieved but only if they knuckle down. Some will obviously disagree but, as they say, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. -
Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
I HAVE always thought of you as an intelligent man Humphrey, although I disagree you with a lot of the time, but I am sure you would appreciate the time and effort that goes into staging events like the British GP at Cardiff and many of the other aspects of the GPs. Ask any of the riders what they feel about the behind-the-scenes organisation ... tickets, passes, facilities at tracks, security, etc. Or all the aspects of ensuring the smooth running of these events, especially when you compare them to everyday league matches, not just in the UK, which are often a shambles by comparison. -
Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
YOU keep saying that but have to disagree. Great bunch there now doing a fantastic job, 99 per cent of which is never seen by the general public. -
Referee Just Bottled Semi Decision
PHILIPRISING replied to TheReturn's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
HATE to see this debate reignited but ... I did ask three different international referees strictly in confidence what they would have done. All three, unbeknown to each other, replied exactly as stated above but without Pedersen excluded, although one did say that if he had no choice but to exclude one it would have been NP. Doesn't change a thing of course ... -
Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
CERTAIN people at the FIM much more likely to stick their oar in these days... incidentally, you are posting everywhere. Having a quiet day or just bored? -
Swc 2013 Calendar
PHILIPRISING replied to DutchGrasstrack's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
THERE were some improvements made to the track at the Marketa this year and BSI have been assured that more including new material on the surface will be there in 2013. The son of Petr Ondrasik who now has much more say in the stadium is keen for these to go ahead. -
Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
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Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
THE actual CCP Bureau members are: Roy Otto, Ikka Teromaa, Armando Castagna, Tony Steele and Christian Bouin. There are also a number of officials who act as Jury Presidents, etc, at various levels. These include Christer Bergstrom, Wolfgang Glas and a few more. -
Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
MIGHT have confused you a bit. Tony Olsson isn't a member of the CCP but is consulted on things that involve the SGP and SWC. Ole Olsen isn't on the CCP either. There are other members (can probably find the complete list on FIM website) with representation from Poland, Germany and other speedway nations. -
Swc 2013 Calendar
PHILIPRISING replied to DutchGrasstrack's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
BSI only do SGP dates and latter stages of SWC ... rest is down to FIM. -
Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
THE FIM have the final say but these decisions are made after consultation with BSI/IMG as the commercial rights holders and the company responsible for staging both competitions. The CCP (Track Racing Commission) still exists although in a slightly different format these days. Those on the CCP are now appointed and work under a Director (currently Roy Otto). Ilka Teromaa and Armando Castagna are senior members along with Tony Steele. Ole Olsen (FIM Speedway Director of Sport) and Tony Olsson (SGP AND SWC RAce Director) would also be consulted. -
WOULDN'T have been interesting but could have been worth a bet!
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Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
I HONESTLY don't know the exact procedure yet. Your suggestion would be the easiest and most sensible but that's not always the way these things work! I imagine each manager will list his four names for Heat 17, 18, 19 and 20 without any reference to what the others are doing -
Swc Joker
PHILIPRISING replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
QUITE easy I believe .. each team manager will nominate one of his riders for each of the final heats. How they scored in the preceding heats will be irrelevant. Could make for some interesting line-ups and tactics. -
THE use of the beloved Joker will not be allowed in the final four heats of SWC meetings next year. Tactical substitutes will be allowed. Team managers will have a free choice of which riders they want to use in each of the final four heats.