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Did DH give an interval team talk? pink flowery kevlars all round me thinks!

It would appear that Dakota is replacing Magnus as it seems rider replacement is still for Bjerre going by Nieminen taking a R/R. I make Dakota's converted average to be 6.92 and Magnus is 6.87. How does this work? Speedway rules has lost me again. Mick.

finally someone on here to set the record straight. cheers. watched this earlier today and even though it may be a little unfair a comparison and as such wrong.. i have to say it did make the tears roll!

If you go to the www.monarchs-chatzone.co.uk there is a updates page Mick.

Is there a limit to how high you can go? Has anyone ever tried to grow a mountain before?

How do spot a genuine one and how do you act towards those non genuine ones? With Dyer and Ellis in i think we may well have a sniff. Narrow defeat and a point for the mighty Lions at worst. Anything worse and i think we need Hemsley to have a word their shell like.

would it not be more of a mud plateau? I don't want to sound ignorant or as someone just wanting to sound down on David but what exactly is the track record on businesses getting grants for stands and restaurants and the like. In the current climate it sounds a little bit of a long shot to say the least but i don't know about these things.

I did mention to the wife on the walk up on saturday that they were trying to replicate the feel of milton keynes bowl, unfortunately i was talking about the big clay mud bowl that was Elfield Park

dont disagree Neb, She's always seemed very nice when she's spoken to my family. Not sure if she comes across as the speedway team talk type though but there you go!

For me, It was the best meeting at BP for me by some quite considerable margin. I could certainly put up with that week in week out.

Public disputes with riders and main sponsors. Wife making team manager decisions. Track equipment doing a runner. Late payment on work done by helpers. Wouldn't it be great if there was someone who could defend our under pressure promoter, maybe from an ex-promoters viewpoint, straight from the promoters union. Where's blooming Tsunami when you need him. He's been on the Leicester threads, using his clearly far greater knowledge of everything Leicester speedway to tell us how it is for 2 years and then when we really do need him to give us the correct perspective on the issues of Leicester Speedway he disappears. bugger The politics of life and work eh, Glennylion! Sometimes you just have to make valued judgements, whether thats comes from a view that there is no smoke without fire or else something said in confidence that can't be disclosed or whatever.. No excuse for not demanding that level of entertainment though. That's why crowds are so poor at speedway these days. I've only seen racing twice at the OTA this year and it's been excellent both times. that's 100%. I've been about 10 times to BP and have also seen 2 decent meetings. that's 20%. And that's a distinct improvement on previous years. I don't doubt i may be just lucky with the OTA but doesn't get away from the point i'm making.

One man does not a team make though Glennylion!

Every meeting i've seen him in he's been very wild. At the OTA he lost control and pulled straight across the track in front of Branford who ran in to him and then later in the meeting he rode straight into Karlsson on Karlsson's line going into bend 1 and took him out. Now that was the crash Karlsson had against Somerset that shouldn't have been excluded for. He was then pretty wild in the TV meeting at OTA and his wildness was the reason for both crashes in heat 2 though i'm not saying he should have been excluded in the first go. That said, nothing wrong in it. He's young, giving a proper go and good to watch. I like him. does it matter? are you doubting they all quit!

That's interesting martin, It would be nice to hear the view from Long Eye.. I'm afraid i'm still of the opinion that irrespective, the main point is the track shape is not correct for consistent good meetings, or at least could be improved on significantly in order that the kind of meeting we witnessed last night become norm rather than the exception. The evidence would appear to point to the fact that in it's current shape with only a little variation in conditions the track becomes too hard to pass on. That's a view taken from watching the racing for the last 2 1/2 years.

Track shape may not end up being the issue after all, however as i saw it the preparation last night appeared to be of the very slick nature. Kind of goes against the grain of those who say more dirt solves everything and makes the dirt equation a difficult one. Interesting that you put 'weather conditions excepted' though, as the commonality within the good meetings at BP doesn't appear to be whether the track is running slick or with some dirt at all but does have a strong relationship to to weather conditions. The other track theory i've heard put forward, and the one that appears to currently hold more water so to speak than even the track shape one is this one. It's been said that before the grand opening, and in the race against time to get the base hard enough, and supposedly against almost everyones better judgement, someone insisted that huge amounts of quicklime were added to the base so it would firm up in time as we were having a problem with the track and the opening night had to happen. This unfortunately leaves the base hardening up like concrete on anything bar overcast, damp and wet days stopping anything gripping into it. Interestingly the meetings the track has worked fit this theory perfectly and make me wonder how things may have worked out with a bit more diplomacy from our dear leader (well, actually, a lot more diplomacy, well, any diplomacy at all would be a start!). Something like that anyway, i'm clearly no track building expert!... Anyone's thoughts on this? Mick.

Sorry Neb, letting the team down is not the point i'm making at all. So if your asking if i'm happy now, no. I know you are very protective of Magnus and i accept his history with us and people's opinion of him, such as your own. My opinion is that, as a rider, i rate Roynon a lot, lot higher than Magnus. I'm not having a go at him beyond the choices i feel we had. If Roynon was coming back from Injury and Karlsson was/is riding with injuries then even more so.

If true then it's amazing that our esteemed leader has turned a perfect opportunity to give a huge up yours to us track doubters into yet another absolutely hapless own goal. You couldn't make it up!

If racing was like that every week there wouldn't be any moaning but unfortunately racing isn't like that every week. Ipswich and Somerset meetings apart it's been fairly hopeless all year again. That should be the entertainment level we should be expecting as a norm, not once or twice a season. Can't fault tonight though, it was excellent. Other than the score!

All the best to Alex & Stefan. Writing was on the wall even when we looked to be cruising and 12 points up. Some good racing. If it was like that and the Ipswich meeting every week then there wouldn't be a need to moan about the track.. Unfortunately we see it only 3 or 4 times a year. Morris' performance was as good a performance as i've seen from anyone at BP. Morris, Doyle and Grajczonek were different class from our heat leaders. I know why it happened but I can't help but think that we will regret keeping Karlsson over Roynon come the end of the season. The engine problems that had hindered him for a season must be back as Karlsson looks back to the gater who hangs on again after his 2 week purple patch.. If Edberg has broken his ankle then i think we are in the do. His forceful style has been a breath of fresh air since signing. Looks like we are .01 away from being able to bring in a 5 pointer so slim pickings. Hopefully we don't have to resort to bringing back Makinen or Nielsen

Decent meeting if we ever get to the end of it! Morris pretty sensational so far

another rebel who has looked pretty good around BP. I thought we should have signed him after he rode in the NL/PL challenge for dudley in our initial season when he looked really smart. He appears to have stalled a little since then though he appears to have had a lot of niggly injuries such as the current headache issue. Wish him well, just not tonight! Mick.

so what do we talk about Tina. You always do these posts yet i'm at a loss to the different things we could be talking about. I make a concerted effort to talk about the issues as i see them at Leicester, as do many on here. True that there are only so many issues that can happen at a Speedway... Track, Team, Stadium, Management (and it seems weather!). Should you choose to actually ignore the drivel that comes from the usual 2 or 3 and rather concentrate on the people actually making an effort to engage in meaningful debate then the Leicester threads, and this one in particular, has some decent debate going on, that's why it's still going on. I have to say, even has a bit of well placed, well thought out humour as well (see Jim the Whippers beans analogy). Just off the top of my head i can think of 40-38, Lionsden, Leicesterlion, hazzman, lionstigers, glennylion, nobblytriers, nigtshift, halifaxtiger, nobrakes, fanmale, oneandtwohalfs, flagrag, vulcan62, roy, speedflash and on and on all making decent contributions to the ongoing debates (though accepted they may not be what you appear to want to read). Maybe you might tell us what we should be talking about or leading the threads in the direction you feel we should be heading in.. maybe it's which Leicester rider has the nicest hair or best kevlars or how superfine it is to be on a 7 match winning streak. Personally though, i feel the likes of Facebook cover that aspect of fandom well enough and that's why i'm here rather than there. As an example, the last home meeting, Leicester lost all the track equipment and we appeared to have a very last minute, totally inappropriately sized replacement tractor, incapable of the doing the job required, and ended up with a track with big holes in it that was dangerous. The reasons for this situation occuring looks like something that need commenting and debating on to me. Maybe not to mrcts, long eye, tsunami, jenga or yourself but it does to me Mick.

It will be interesting to see what the track is like. Anyone know whether we are getting the big tractor in for the day again? I guess If anyone has been using the track for practice for the last two weeks then it could make for some interesting racing again if we've been tractorless over that period. It's asking a lot of Glyn to try and make it a decent track if we are still in that same position. I guess we might get some passing again though as the inside liners negotiate the holes. Mick.

Going by past perfrmances at BP i think Leicester will do well to keep the unbeaton record going. I'd say that only Craig Cook has looked better than Doyle at BP and Davies looked excellent for Australia last year. Morris has also looked sensational at times around BP as well. I think we'll have to be on it to get any points.

For fear of repeating myself, there is the crux. If David Hemsley had been up front with his plans and reasons for it with regards to promised changes before the season started then he would have had more of my respect, maybe £60 of my hard earned over the course of the season but i'd have understood the reasons for not making changes and wouldn't have felt the need to moan about Leicester Speedway on here. And I'd have still offered help if he'd wanted to solve the issues as i see them. Unfortunately he didn't, for the second consecutive season he's had at least £1100 of my money through what is basically false pretences of promising me something that hasn't been enacted on. Mick.