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Does anyone know if anything is being written into Glyn's contract with regards to tractor driving, i might need to start taking my flask of tea again! (i'm joking.. well kind of..). If this thread proves one thing about Leicester it's that we have more fans than any other team that have been told something by someone who's definately in the know. Warren, just how drunk does everyone get in the bar on a saturday night and how long before the eastenders theme tune starts to appear at the bottom of each Leicester thread page ? dum, dum, dum de de de dum Mick

I think your response kind of reiterates the point i was trying to make. If you are 10/12 points behind and have a rider capable of beating the opposition riders then you have to take that opportunity. I would say irrespective of who in the seven you have in the race, facing Davies and Perry in a heat, even when they are scoring well, would equate to being one of the best opportunities available of scoring double points at Somerset. When you dont use an available tac rider when you have your best rider in a heat such as happened in that Ipswich match just looks like an error though. I remember thinking that just didn't make any sense at all and i still can't see where it does. The point i was trying to make was that even though there are nowadays only a few chances for a team manager to implement tactical changes we never seem to make them, almost never when hemsley was manager and seemingly not more much more under Atwood. As a team manager I don't doubt his motivational skills but i do doubt his tactical skills. That was all the point i was making. Unfortunately this thread, much like most other Leicester threads, now seems the wrong place to make such simple observations as you end up feeling the point you're making is cornered into a 'with them' or 'against them' mentality which was not the point of my post. I'm not against Atwood at all (just calling the tactical acumen of successive Leicester team managers into question ). Mick.

I do think that irrespective of fact we have 3 wins out of 3 the team doesn't look good enough. I'm sure if heat 8 hadn't have panned out how it did we would have had a bit of a thumping against Scunthorpe. We didn't look great against Redcar either and i would rate them as one of the weaker teams in the league. I think something probably needs to be done which probably means replacing Makinen even though he didn't look too bad in the end at Scunthorpe. Without wanting to sound like i'm having a dig at Jason Atwood i can't recall him making many more changes to the programmed rides than Hemsley did when he was in charge. For example, in the Scunthorpe match Graversen rode one of his best rides ever at BP to win his 3rd programmed ride in fine style (beating the very impressive Jorgensen and Doolan) but next heat Atwood left Nielsen in for his full quota of rides even though the only points he had scored were in the reserve race when both opponents had fell. There is an argument with Graversen that he is so inconsistent that one ride doesn't indicate form but Atwood hardly ever makes changes however obvious they appear. I also recall the ipswich match where he bizarrely didn't use a tactical when one was available and a capable enough rider was available to ride it (Nieminen). Instead he 'saved' it for the next heat. Didn't make any sense at all as if we had taken a 5-1(something that could have been an 8-1) in the heat we wouldn't have been able to use a tac ride in the next race anyway. He obviously does have good peoples skills though as he seems very close to a few of the riders which may be the problem. Mick.

If i remember rightly it was pretty much how the track was being prepared week in week out at the time and from a spectators point of view generally produced great entertainment. My abiding memory of Jessup as a second tier rider was of him always complaining about track conditions and pulling out of meetings. Mick.

well, strange as it may seem it wasn't aimed at you as you clearly try to make of reasoned argument and effort at informing rather than being abusive. But i think you know that anyway. Actually, the reality is that cretinous wouldn't be a word i'd use for anyone and the response was purely mocking the turn of phrase used by the original poster as i'm sure you quite aware. It's something i'm aware is probably a cretinous thing to do but sometimes i can't help myself. Somehow the way this thread was heading you just knew there was one last 'Glory' post in him though. There's probably another now

thank the lord i'm not thought of like you... a man who likes the EDL (well, before they became a bunch of rascists of course),and likes to humour up the threads with a rascist joke or two trully is the last thing i'd ever want to be known as... and that's without mentioning the unpleasant tosh that arrives from you in PM's and the speedway related drivel that permeates from your keyboard on these threads. I'd agree with you to a point but say the problems are equally split between the cretins who blindly back Hemsley AND the cretins who blindly attack every aspect of what leicester is because of their own personal vendetta towards Hemsley. I'm neither of those things, whilst you most certainly are one of them. fools in equal measures. anyways, back to ignoring you. Mick.

and i think the issue here is that people such as myself, nobrakeshere1 & fanmale are people who have backed DH to the hilt for all the good things he as done and have argued that you have to give the management time but that time surely needed to have been over this last winter. The Magnus Karlsson testimonial meeting with a bumper crowd, great stars but the exact same old track (coupled with efforts clearly made to get to a call off point that wouldn't cost anyone anything but left fans feeling short changed and conned) has to be the most miserable depressing meeting i've ever witnessed. That could have been the perfect springboard for a new season with a rejuvinated track but the chance was lost for ever, along with maybe 2/3rds of the crowd that day. 2 more weeks of entertainment free meetings against Scunthorpe and Ipswich and you are faced with the very poor turnouts of Rye on bank holiday weekend and title favourites Somerset this weekend. If the aguments you are using for these low turnouts (not aimed at the author of the post i'm replying to) is then that the weather stopped the usual crowd turning up (or what ever excuse next weeks is) then i feel it time to stand back and review the facts a little! Mick. and as family with two season tickets i would gladly forgo whatever they want to put on instead of one or both of the Newport meetings in may/june if i thought they were going to use the period constructively in altering the track. There's two extended opportunities to work on the track presenting itself in the near future if the management were brave enough. IMO of course! Mick.

I mean't the club that doesn't wear DH embossed rose tinted spectacles and prefers to head into enemy territory most fridays instead ! (me seemingly being a/if not the founder member of the club that does does wear them!) Mick.

As a side point i hadn't commented on the track debate thread for the reason most points have been made already (and as you point out, some by the same person constantly!) and certainly mine has (in the leicester 2012 thread). However, If i go to a meeting that's crap due to the track i still think the meeting thread is the place to make the post. As i've been drawn into this thread here are my thoughts again (which i was told was absolutely spot on by two seperate people who i think know about tracks, one of which is an out of work track curator who knows the Leicester track quite well).. which is not to say it isn't complete tosh! here is what i wrote in february - You may be right, i hope you are. The issue i have is that slick or grippy it matter's not as when you enter the 3rd bend there is no choice but to take the same line into the corner as the rider in front as the only real line entering that bend was an outside one and that involved staying as inside as you could (meaning they're also taking the inside line if that makes any sense!). To go into the 3rd corner hoping to go around someone who already is taking (to all intents and purposes) the outside line (and inside line!) seems to involve the rider attempting the manouvre needing to shut off in order to let the rider in front enter the bend and then wanging it back on but by that point they have lost the momentum or power required to do what they were hoping. I'm not sure if that makes sense but that seems to be the issue from where i stand. Without bringing the bend in to some degree in order to make at least 2 entry points in the bend then i don't see how things can improve. But i really, really hope to be proven wrong! Mick

No disrespect but i'm certainly not in the anti Hemsley camp, slightly shameful of you to say i am being as maybe 290 of the 300 posts i've ever posted on this forum have been defending all the good things David Hemsley has done. I'm actually appalled you put in a camp with Robert72 just because i now believe that they have had time to address the one major stumbling block to a great speedway stadium; the track. Maybe before calling me you might have wished to check my previous posts over the last year to get more rounded view. Grumpy (old) git i may actually be but not ignorant enough to make posts about people that are in equal measures ill founded and ill researched. I'm sure the likes of speedibee, gemini, lionsden et al must find it funny that i'm now classed as one of them! Mick.

Is this definately happening? haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else as yet. Is it worth you sneaking a post onto the PL section for the Leicester fans that don't read this NL bit? any idea on price etc. Mick.

sorry, i realise what you say with regards to Weymouth, but i mean't less that they've actually closed them down, more that it's may not be in the interests of certain NL clubs that they reappear. Mick.

Reading between the lines in the latest Speedway Star I get the distinct impression that the BSPA closing down 2 tracks (Mildenhall & Weymouth) has more to do with certain members of the NL, those who aren't standalone clubs, not wanting the extra fixture congestion that these clubs would generate. That appears to be the general impression i come away with from reading the standalone NL clubs articles. Is that right impression? Mick.