Hawk127

The powers that be will sight many reasons why they could not run ten home meetings in six months but will miss the obvious one, utter incompetence by each and every track to work collectively to make it happen. It is a further endorsement that can added to another thread headed British speedway is a joke . When you take into account how it’s affairs are managed and the lack of respect each and every track has for its punters it is a miracle anyone bothers to turn out in September and October after all the fine weather had this year in the U.K. It is a mystery and the only way those in charge will learn is if the punters vote with their feet but that will not happen because for some reason many think they owe the club some debt of loyalty but I doubt each and every team owner thinks that way. So it is a Christmas festival to resolve the who will be champions. The weather should be fine, ask the club promoters, they are good at using a crystal ball.

All the debates regarding the state of British speedway (not to be confused with other similar products held outside England and Scotland) is irrelevant when the sport has a number of fronts to fight to save its existence. You have track owners with a few being on the top table who make the rules up as they go along, riders who have an inflated valuation on their services and then the local authorities who are as crooked as they come (see Swindon, Coventry and no doubt many on here can name others who simply do not want a speedway track in their back yard). The joke is on the punter who continues to pay to cross the threshold of the surviving tracks where many serve up little in the form of entertainment and yet pretend that everything is fine. It is a sport which has not changed with the times and regardless of the age of supporters, it neither meets the idea of a slick presentation that can get the terraces excited nor is credible given the rules etc. and as a prospective business opportunity has zero appeal in terms of making a return in its own right without the addition of 3rd party contributions from sponsors etc. Start again get back to basics and become a part time occupation for the riders and a streaming service that punters can tap into for live speedway if they wish.

Added to which the T V coverage is far superior to that broadcast by Eurosport. U.K. speedway should not be mentioned in the same breath as Polish speedway as the U.K. falls so far short in all that you mention. The sport in this country either needs ‘surgery’ of some sort or put it and the fans out of their misery by closing out the failed product and start all over with someone who has the vision to take it forward assuming you could find anyone not tarnished by the current set up.

Unfortunately despite all the good ideas and suggestions put forward on this topic, no one in authority is listening nor will those in charge take a inward look at what they are dong to the sport. None so blind as those who do not want to see comes to mind. Riders want to earn an annual salary in a six months season while the rest of the population has to work twelve months. (If they have winter jobs are the pay rates demanded by the riders over ambitious) They have expensive equipment that is not robust enough to cater with the work that it is required of it hence the regular expensive overhaul after a few races that adds to the cost. Most of the tracks in operation today were not built for today’s machines and on the subject of tracks, the entry point in terms of costs for new tracks, in order to cater for the bikes and safety aspect etc., is now so high and even if you could find the land who in their right mind would invest in a project where the business model is dictated by third parties who have put nothing into the new track and will basically tell you when you can open and run meetings unless you operate outside the current set up and follow the IOW. The sport is not a joke, it is some of the parties involved from riders to track owners and as has been said before, as long as the punters turn up no one is going to take on board the possibility that trying something new might just be better option rather then sticking with the current format with dwindling support on the terraces. Today people are rarely prepared to wait yet it can take two plus hours to run 15 minutes of racing. Younger people lose the will to live whilst waiting for the next heat to be run and if they do get hooked, how often is the team made up of guests and Mr R/R. Nothing will change just fewer and fewer people bothering to go to a track and the way the cost of living is going speedway however good it can be will be way down the list of spending and many will consider that it is not value for money if attending a live meeting.

You really are an FCW. Try and read what is said first before engaging your fingers to type some utter crap. Just go crawl back under from wherever you come from.

Firstly everyone in entitled to an opinion. Secondly I do not give a toss about play offs in the U K or Europe. The sport is not that important and cannot be taken seriously and In the U K it is laughable to talk about teams when you have doubling up and down and riders pulling on race jackets to earn a living, not ride with purpose for a team. You carry on with your views and remain the avid follower that you seem to be, the sport needs people like you.

Watch the bore fest that is currently on Eurosport. By comparison, no crowd atmosphere just geriatric hangers on with so few in the stadium (it looks good but only one part is full of diehards) and the racing in this meeting like so many in the U.K. is processional. At least the Polish meetings have atmosphere notwithstanding the racing may not always be out of the top drawer and that is what it use to be like in the U.K. back in the 60’s 70’s and lesser extent the 80’s with rides giving it everything to entertain. The riders want to entertain the punter unlike most who ride today. It may have its faults but ask yourself why Speedway is so successful in Poland whereas in the U.K. it is dead in the water. It is promoted professionally in Poland hence it attracts funding at various levels whereas in the U.K. few operators can spell promote let alone do it. Why else sell out to Eurosport for easy money yet Eurosport clearly failed to research the sport properly but will soon hand back the contract if they had any sense.

Could another issue be that the cost of entry to the sport is now so prohibitive that you really need rich relatives to help fund all the equipment needed to get you started. Lots watch a sport and some may think I will give that a go but the old traditional route in via grass track seems to have long gone and not many teams have local lads racing for them who have come good and the local punter can relate to them. You do not need a fortune to buy cricket gear etc. Today speedway teams are in name only as you have seven individuals racing to try and make a living. The individual riders championships are being bemoaned by many because ‘my team’s rider’ is not in it. Stick the top 16 or 20 riders with the top averages in and if one team have four or five riders so be it as in reality they are only wearing a race jacket of the paymaster And at simply self employed individuals plying their trade at any track that will have them. Not a criticism but an observation.

Agree but you also have those sites who show it for free. Several were streaming the SGP2 today and yesterday’s event so the income is not what it should/could be. It would all come down to the income versus cost and I am sure someone on the forum may have an idea of what the outlay is for a GP. Perhaps the expectation of what the event ought to be like rarely fulfils what most want and a poor racing spectacle such as this weekend really brings it home.

I would suspect that may be the reason why it is probably not financially viable and if no one is prepared to bridge the gap of the cost of putting meeting on versus income from all angles including spectator revenues then it is unlikely to happen in Manchester.

Luckily many lost the will to live in terms of finding the viewing platform. Whoever thought Eurosport/ Discovery was the best option for promoting the televised side worldwide was on ‘the sauce’ the day/night they agreed the contract. Alas the track failed all, riders, fans who paid good money to watch it live in Cardiff and the t v spectators. You really hope that someone could get it right in terms of promoting what can be a spectacular sport but sadly no one on planet earth has a clue any longer. Only the Poles seem to know how to make it work, the rest are just hangers on. Well done to all the riders who came through the meeting, the tenacity is a credit to each one.

A real diamond of a rider and perhaps all the more reason why he should be in the Cardiff GP this year. A loyal servant to British speedway and the last of the all out entertainers who more often than not gives the supporters the thrills they look for in a speedway meeting. Some of the up and coming throttle merchants could learn a thing or two about tenacity and craftsmanship of a good speedway rider.

Await Ritchie’s analysis of the teams performance with interest. The Aces seem to have exposed the weaknesses in the Witches but it might just be a minor hiccup. Sad that a team of quality rides can only muster 30 points.

Rewarding failure sums it up. Last year they knew what the outcome would be. It is all about doing the right thing and clearly you are one of those who goes along with the thoughts that some parents have who feel deprived on school sports day when despite the offspring coming last they deserve the same as the winner If you want to make the rules up on the hoof, at least have the decency to tell those who may score points what the rules are before they go chasing an impossible win. I wonder how many would have rode as hard and chased points if they had known this was a possible outcome. Have the decency to state that in the event of the meeting not be completed it does not matter what you score last year’s winner will go through to the GP in the event of riders having equal number of points on the board. Still that does not justify giving it to a rider who failed to make any impact on the night the wild card.Even if you take the rider averages he does not deserve it and if he was any sort of genuine sports competitor he would have declined. But no he did the dishonourable thing and as a result Chris, Dan Scott and others have been screwed. Why would any of the scorers bother competing now. Who knows what result would be if it was rained off again. No wonder speedway is not considered a credible sport in the U.K. I suspect if this had been in Poland, all riders would have been called back to complete or restart the meeting this evening. Those who could not make it would be replaced.

Ellis is big enough to do the right thing. He did not and took advantage of the situation and for that reason he has no moral fibre. Others tonight deserve to go through. He does not and for that he is a scumbag.

Ellis has no moral fibre in him. He was well beaten tonight and should have declined to accept the wild card when riders far better then him were more worthy of the nomination. He has no conscience and seemingly will screw anyone. I hope he can sleep at night.

The only reasonable option is re-run the meeting. This decision is appalling.

What a piss take. Ellis does not deserve it. No wonder this sport is considered a joke. Why bother holding this meeting if those in charge consider this a real option.

Typical of this sport, treat the supporters with contempt, make the fans stand around, t v cannot get answers then film riders laughing and joking once some sort of decision has been made but hey let’s screw everyone. Says it all about the racers and those that run the sport. Two fingers up to the paying punters and the t v audience and while those who have very few skill sets to manage over powered bikes on tracks not suitable to what they are using as tools of their trade, everyone else has to put up with the piss poor attitude that most riders have towards the paying public. It might be difficult at Manchester this evening and because of their delay this holding up racing this is not an isolated incident.

Why not re-run on Thursday or Friday before the GP. I am sure one or two tracks could accommodate the meeting. Just tell the riders to turn up or else.

Shame that the weather has intervened but do the broadcasters understand the sport and the need to get on with the racing rather than take an ad break. It is a minority sport and no one is probably interested in the ads.

P poor support on the terraces. Sad really that speedway and and event like this has fallen to such depths and you have to wonder how you drag it up from the nadir that it seems to have reached. What do those in charge need to do to reinvent this spectacle.

Congratulations to Australia. Shame about the track support. If any new people tuned in and saw the p poor crowd you would wonder why it is given airtime. A decent nights speedway but no one can be proud of the on track support. Sums up speedway.

No they are not consistent enough to be described as on the pace. They and Neil etc think they are but in reality they are NDL level in terms of the international platform. Look at how other nations have progressed and yet GB have gone backwards. Maybe in five to ten years from now they could be competitive but that might be wishful thinking. Until the idiots in charge in the U.K. recognise what a cock up they have made in terms of managing the sport and fully getting behind the riders, team GB will struggle.

No just recognise where they stand and stop having the powers that be build up mediocre riders and start from scratch. GB riders can rise to the top but at this moment they not on the pace and those in charge are doing these lads no favours. The riders are OK but they have a long way to go to be good.