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WE were denied use of our stadium again on the 5th June, whilst electrical upgrades took place to some areas of the stadium. No doubt with it being a Cup meeting it will be given priority over an already future planned meeting.

Legendary riders who have a particular connection with a club YES, as others have said. If a journeyman rider, NO, but current riders are allowed in if showing their riders licence. It only admits one, despite protestations, and does NOT give riders automatic rights to visit and stay in the pits. They are crowded anyway, but in the case of a serious negligent incident in the pits, and that rider was hurt, the first question in court would be 'why was a non official/rider allowed in the pits during a meeting". Same rule goes for wives, etc. When we opened up in 1997, one ex KL rider was adamant that he had a right to attend any speedway meeting without paying. Strewth. He always paid after that. Berwick have recently issued a list of every rider who had ridden for the Bandits, to contact them and to invite the riders to attend their meetings free of charge I believe. It may be a large number, but not a lot of riders still live in the area anyway, but i think it is a nice gesture from a very friendly and trying hard promotion.

I actually agree you "told me so'. At that time you were like a wrecking ball trying to damage the project, which was going to give Leicester a speedway team once again. Even sending me notes of evidence hoping I would support your damning views and actions. I love to follow all development projects, especially the Birmingham development, as such initiatives deserve support when there are high risks and with big money at risk. I have never been a great fan of Hemsley's style, especially man management, but he was delivering and did deliver something that nobody else would have delivered. In those days it was your attitude and actions that were wrong, whilst Hemsley's persistence delivered what he produced with great personal risk. Once delivered, he has not always made the right decisions to develop it further and that to me is his biggest mistake. He has done wrong in this disciplinary matter and been punished for it. The irony is that several on here, with a severe complex of the BSPA/SCB, would now think that Hemsley is not the guilty party, but blame the authorities for doing something about it. Unbelievable.

David Hemsley has never been popular with a lot of people for usually very good reasons. He ditched Sam, for the better I think, but he also ditched the very people who had been with him to set up the whole project in the early days. He went ahead with a poor designed track in a very good mini stadium. He did things his way that people didn't like, and totally messed up the adjoining park area with rubbish being dumped on his land for income. He seems to have man management issues, and in this case he has obviously let fly with bad behaviour and dubious actions, which no promoter should do. LionsDen has highlighted what he knows happened, and it does not make pleasant reading. You should not like to support his(DH) actions, and must accept that that sort of behaviour has to be challenged and sanctions imposed on him. Banning him and fining him, seems to most folks a reasonable response, even with the complication of him still being the owner, which is not then compatible with a banned promoter. So an errant promoter is taken to task for his actions, which were against laid down practices with the BSPA/SCB. Whether the sanctions are too severe or about right, we will never know, as none of us know exactly what happened, except he failed to appear when he was commanded to do so. Not good form from a businessman, who elected to join an organisation and signed to abide with the 'rules' of that organisation. No man is an island. So the charges are known, the penalties are known. But instead of his actions being condemned and the penalties accepted, the BSPA gets the criticism for taking the action, despite a mix of BSPA/SCB is the expected mix for a disciplinary committee. What should the BSPA have done in the circumstances, when their rules are the ones that are broken, along with the breeches of SCB protocol. Unfortunately, many on here have a BSPA phobia, which clouds their natural justice. So they turn on the BSPA/SCB as if they were the miscreants in this whole business. Yes, the BSPA are not perfect and have make many mistakes in the past, and continue to do so. Given that there are agreed representations for these sort of discipline matters within both the BSPA/SCB, abiding by them should not then doubt the eligibility of anybody sitting in judgement on this case. Unless of course you have a greater issues with either/both organisations, and are allowing them to cloud your judgement. It seems to me a lot of folks on here are using this case to air their opposition per se, instead of stepping back, looking at the bigger picture, reading the post from LionsDen, then making a rational response. Will it happen, will it hell. Very surprised at some who have joined in.

Doesn't take much to identify an agenda. You could do it. Not much point in having a management committee then.

Certainly the 'Boro were.

With innuendo's yes. Obviously has some reason to keep kicking.

To be fair so it should. A rider gets a new average 7 days after the last qualifying meeting. From that day he is on the new average.

Pity that Chapman jnr and Heathen Chemistry didn't read this valuable contribution to this issue before venting the uneducated speens.

i seem to remember Kus getting 14 whilst top scoring at Rye with Berwick. EDIT I think it was with Redcar last year, not Berwick.

Yes , I think he has to stay home, as I believe to get a visa, he needs to have a sponsor with guarantees. He therefore can't enter the country without a sponsor/team place.

REDCAR 10 William O'Keefe Fx, ns, ns = 0 Carl Basford 2, 2, 2 = 6 Elliott Kelly ef, 0, 2 = 2 Alex Goldsbrough 1, 1 , ef = 2 NEWCASTLE 25 Gavin Parr 3, 3 ,3 = 9 max Dale Pate 1, 1, 1 = 3 Archie Freeman 2+1, 2+1, 3 = 7+2 paid max Jack Wright 3, 3, f = 6 Ht 1 Parr, Basford, Pate, O'Keefe fX 2-4 Ht 2 Wright, Freeman, Goldsbrough, Kelly ef 1-5, 3-9 Ht 3 Parr, Basford, Pate, O'Keefe ns 2-4 5-13 Ht 4 Wright, Freeman, Goldsbrough, Kelly 1-5, 6-18 Ht 5 Parr, Basford, Pate, O'Keefe ns 2-4 8-22 Ht 6 Freeman, Kelly, Wright f, Goldsbrough ef 2-3, 10-25 Sorry no times

Ah, now we know the real reason. A Heathen questioning a Wolverhampton rider being signed, all within the rules. Wouldn't have been mentioned if it had been Swindon and Belle Vue.

One would hope for a better independent person.

Look at the numbers on their back !!!!

George couldn't find a way around it as he was given no choice but that date by Redcar. No compromise. I think he and us were disappointed that two guests didn't perform and that was why we didn't quality for the semis. No other reason.

Definately down Steve.

Not forgetting the time we delayed the start time last year to allow Kus, then a Redcar rider, to arrive at Brough on time from a late flight. BSPA insisted we got this tie out of the way by the end of May but allowed Redcar June 2nd, and June 10th for another tie.

Your answers sound like your phobias are more important than getting someone to like speedway. With a disallowed goal in football you could just say disallowed for an infringement. Same with speedway, like BWitcher answer, a simple explanation on the night, then back to the action. And after your replies, did anybody ever come to another meeting. Of course they did and brought all their mates the next week. Yea right.

Just concentrate on the racing and the tactics. That's what they are supposed to be there for. Does it really matter if one has a race bib, whilst the rest are in suits, or what helmet cover he has on. You are either trying to enrol them into the sport, or your have an agenda which you think he needs and deserves to be told. FFS.

Sorry, my mistake to omit the other team. REDCAR William O'Keefe 0 Carl Basford 6 Elliott Kelly 2 Alex Goldsbrough 2 TOTAL 10

Why would anybody be trying to talk to newcomers about guests, TR's, DU's, etc, when allegedly you have brought them to watch speedway. It seems to me that some people would rather take out their frustrations/bias's on speedway by frightening or putting off newcomers off. Try letting them use their eyes instead of having to listen to you. Do you take people to Football, and then tell them about the offside rule the minute you get in ?

You will thrash Redcar. Will Lasse be riding ?

WON 25 - 10 Gavan 9 Dale 3 Archie 7+2 Jack 6

Robson was on a 7.23 average and Matty on 7.03.