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Even though Hurri-Ken was my team's captain, I really can't agree with that. Towards the end of the period that the "Big Five" were given a 20 yard handicap, it was strongly argued that Nordin had become so good that he too should be put on 20 yards as well. I never heard anyone argue that Ken Mckinlay should have been.

Yes, he retired the week I went to my first meeting. I've always felt responsible........

Not everyone chunky, because I absolutely agree with that. It has always seemed to be some sort of heresy to doubt that Tommy Jansson would have been world champion, but for the reasons you say, I have always had severe doubts that he would have been.

As far as Bluey Wilkinson and Vic Duggan go I was really looking at riders of recent memory. Otherwise, surely Tom Farndon would be no.1!

I am also a huge fan of Crump's. We also shouldn't forget that he is the only rider apart from Fundin to gain a top three World Championship place in 10 consecutive seasons. Some achievement! Also, my memory is a bit vague here, but wasn't there one season when he would have added another World title had he not run out of fuel (of all things!) in the vital race?

And with Stan Stevens.

A very valid point of course, Fd. Personally, if I were to go by your criterion, I think I would have to nominate Ronnie Moore or Ken McKinlay as no. 1.

I think it should also be borne in mind that Craven was around at the same time as Fundin and Briggs - and Ronnie Moore come to that, but still managed to win the World Title twice. Hancock, on the other hand, didn't seem to fare so well when up against Rickardsson, Crump and Pedersen, who dominated the early 2000s. I would venture to say that all three of them were better than Hancock.

Over the years we have had a number of threads discussing the "Greatest Ever". Looking back over these, it seems to be that, if we take riders within living memory that many have actually seen or have heard about first hand from those that have seen them, the top five are fairly well agreed as (in roughly chronological order) Ove Fundin, Barry Briggs, Ivan Mauger, Hans Nielsen and Tony Rickardsson. Two questions. 1. Would anyone disagree with those five? 2. Who is number six?

Now Buzz Burrows - that would be good!

Yes, can't disagree with Bjorn Knutson. Also, I only saw him a few times at the end of his career, but I would add Jack Young.

Ken McKinlay represented England in the first two World Team Cups, 1960 and 1961. Both times he scored one more point than Ron How!

Thanks for the correction, BL. Yes, of course, you are right.

It was at Wimbledon when riding for England v. Soviet Union in a Test match.

Dead heat!

You can still quite clearly see the outline of the track and the terracing on the ground. I took some photos of it a few years ago.

Billy seemed in fine form, BOBBATH. 92 now, but still active. Are you sure that was 1964? "Young" Billy had qualified for the World Final back in 1955. Ove (88 years old) was also in fine form. He is still so incredibly fit. I asked him if he was thinking of making a comeback for Sweden after their disastrous performance in the SoN. He said he might just as well as Sweden have no good riders any more. I mentioned Freddie Lindgren. He said the problem with Freddie is that one day he is one of the best riders in the world, the next he is hopeless and you just can't rely on someone like that.

Actually one of my books was one of the prizes (Speedway in the South East), but as first out of the hat, I got to choose out of the vast array of prizes on offer...

I had a great day at the WSRA annual Norwich lunch today. Met up with some old friends, including Ove Fundin, Bert Harkins, Trevor Hedge, Tony Hurren (Hawkeye) and Terry Ripo (former Hackney and Mildenhall announcer). Other illustrious names at the lunch included Cyril Crane, Richard Greer, James Easter, Billy Bales, Ray Bales, Rob Hollingworth, Dingle Brown, Gavin Hedge, Dave Gagen, Graham Miles, Ollie Allen, Dave Allen and the great, the one and only, Buzz Burrows. Good food, good company and, best of all, I won first prize in the raffle!

So which one are you leaving out?

He averaged 7.15. To be quite honest, I wasn't very impressed with him....shows you what I know!

Quite right, BOBBATH, they never rode for the same team. I saw Eric ride every week for two years at New Cross. Also saw Ian a few times. Sadly never got to see Fred ride, though I did meet him a few times after he'd retired at various events.

I'd forgotten them.

Which team did they all ride for?

The obvious answer would be the Collins Brothers and Belle Vue.