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Now Holders defo gone like i said 7 days later and not one post lol.

Starman if it were not for the Holders link with Poole would you be on this thread and would you even give a dam about the 7 point rule ?.

Well if he can't get a team place in Poland it shows a lack of ambition to me.

Ok no probs i took it the wrong way. Thinking about it i should twigged to how you were thinking as so many riders have done the same thing to Belle vue.

You never know but i heard a rumour that it could be a young rider that rode for another team in Scotland last season. You should know that Wolberts PL average will be 6.19 having had a crap season with your team Glasgow last year.

After that comment it kinda makes me hope that all the Glasgow riders have a Wolbert season next year.

Brilliant signing for Edinburgh after watching him at Belle vue for the 2013 season he is a far better rider than he showed at Glasgow last season(i can see why their fans are a bit p'ed off).He should easilly put 2 plus points on his average on a track that he likes riding, and as we all know finding riders that can increase their averages is what its all about and gives a team success on the track.

For once i think that this is one of the better rules in speedway.We all want to see a rider with potential move up to the Elite league and not double up and i think this rule gives them the confidence to give it a try.They know that if it does not work out there will still be a place for them in the Premier league.As John has worked out if they give it a go and it does not work out and then their Elite league average is converted back to give them an approx 8 point average there is a little chance of a Premier team signing them.If this was the case then i cannot see many of them risking it and a good few riders would then never reach their true potential.

I have posted this before a while back on the Belle vue thread and its a quote that was on the Belle vue web sight and it would appear that someone has had a little think about the track.(Quote)the track will be approx 350 meters long,the straights will be wide with plenty of room to pass and the turns will be big sweeping bends with the maximum banking allowed by the FIM for an international circuit.

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Nobody is saying that Cook will end up being better than Doyle.He may he may not no one knows. The point is that Doyle developed in his own time he took 8 years riding in the British leagues before he became an Elite league heat leader and in this time fans were not on his back saying in my opinion all he will be is just a good Premier league number 1, he will never be more than an Elite league 2nd/3rd heatleader,nowhere near a G P rider etc.If it was not for the visa problems Doyle would have rode in the Premier league this year nobody said he has no ambition. People say that Cook is happy to be a big fish in a small pond and has no ambition as he is not riding in Europe.He might be trying his heart out to get a team place and cant.None of us really know the facts so how can anyone say he does not ?.Any rider would stay and earn in the Premier league if they cant get a team place elsewhere. Cookies main problem is that he is English and every one wants him to be or thinks he should be a world beater overnight.So treat him like Doyle and all other none English riders let him develop into whatever he may be in his own time and get off his back.

The world and his dog seem to have an opinion on Cookie.So i will share mine I WILL BE GUTTED IF HE IS NOT BACK AT BELLE VUE NEXT YEAR.He had a tougth year in the Elite league this year and got a bit of stick by some.But he is still learning and it was his first full season as a heat leader and at the same time they changed the heat format giving heat leaders far tougther rides than previous seasons.Its all part of the learning curve and i think he will realy kick on next year i hope it is for us. PS Just as a point of intrest for those who compair Cook to Doyle. In 2008 Doyle had an average of 9.77 riding for Somerset in the Premier league and from the only records i can find was riding in the Prem league from at least 2005. From the records i can find Cook first rode 20 meetings in the Prem league for Workington in 2009 with an average of 3.14. So my point being Cook started late is still learning(fast) and has a good few years yet to catch up to have the same experience as Doyle.

I loved it when the colts had a season at Belle vue.Watching the like of Jason Garrity and Kyle Howarth progress over a season is realy great to watch.Can't wait for the new stadium to be built as i believe the colts will be revived then,i hope so and i hope you enjoy it as much as me.

Cheesed off with him missing so many home meetings.Just to put the record straight he missed just one against Lakeside

Mikebv i agree with you U K speedway has massive problems and we all look at the causes differently. this is my point of view.I started going to speedway in the 70s and every thing was a bed of roses we had 20 or so teams in the top league all able to field 3 top class heat leaders, massive crowds and every top rider in the world riding here. But how things change.The differences there was no Polish league the Swedish league was a small time affair compaired to now and there was no G P. So you name many sports in your post that are run better but the difference is every member of those teams plays for just that team and every team can afford to pay a squad of players in case of injury or loss of form as you know speedway is so different.Every rider now races for many different teams and the top boys have the G P on top of all the league racing plus all the traveling and the truth is there are just not enougth riders to go around. U K speedway now faces massive problems the G P Poland and Sweden pay better money.Poland and Sweden have purpose built speedway tracks that can all race on the same night.In the U K we dont( dogs etc) and as we all know alot of riders dont want to ride over here( to many race nights etc)and they can earn more money from the other leagues. So all of the above have caused massive problems in the U K. The way i look at it is that they are fighting an up hill battle.(reasons) atracting and paying the top riders,they can just about get enougth riders to fill the teams let alone squad riders,team members have much more chance of injuries with all the riding they do causing r/r more often over here,now trying to produce more home grown tallent. changing the rules to try and compensate for all the above problems All of which is causing fans to walk away.I know there are many more problems these are just a few. So are the promoters really that bad or are they doing the best they can to keep speedway going in this country everyone will have their own answer to that question For me i will keep going and keep my fingers crossed that they can.

White Knight my last post on the subject as we all have our own views and no matter how many posts we write people wont change their minds. But while we are shareing our views there is just one question i dont feel you have not covered in your posts that puzzles me. If you feel so strongly about your reasons to stop going to meetings how can you still watch Elite league speedway on T V the same reasons still apply dont they even though you are not there live.I know you have said you can turn it off but you know that the reasons that you feel so strongly about and stopped you going are still going to be there before you turn it on ? I know we are all different but i can see where you are coming from re falling out with a sport,it happened to me with football.(ie i feel that money domminates the sport to much now,same few teams winning prem league over the last 20 odd years and much more etc.)But where we differ is that i gave up my season ticket and i have not been to a match or watched a match on t v or been on a football forum for the last 10 or so years as in my mind set if i fall out with something i give it up and move on to somthing that i do like.I now just subscribe to sky sports for the summer months just for speedway.I hope the 2nd leg of the playoffs goes ahead on Monday as my summer subscription ends on wednesday lol.

You say you care for the sport i dont see how. Fans like yourself can see that the sport is in trouble and can see it needs fans to turn up and support their local club but you are willing to sit back watch it on t v and let it die over a few rules you dont like. Other reasons by like minded fans are the sport is always cost cutting well this is because fans have stopped going and they cant keep going if they dont. Change to 1 race night tempt back the big boys how the hell can the sport do that when there are not enougth fans going through the gates to pay these riders the money they want. So the only way our sport can survive is if all the fans that say they care show that they really do care and come back and support their beloved sport its the only way to try and get the sport somwhere near what it was(pipe dream i know). There will be some sort of speedway in the U K but possibly not good enougth to show on t v what you all going to do then.But look on the bright side you will be able to watch the G P on tv and still come on here and complain how crap speedway in the U K has become.

Fair point to all who for whatever reason they cannot get to a speedway meeting anymore.Its the people that can and have stopped going and keep harping on about the problems the sport has as a reason and then still watch it on t v that p me off.So if they are still watching it their reasons for not going anymore kinda goes out of the window.So for me if they can put speedways problems out of their minds while watching it on tv why cant they do the same and support our sport and pay to see it live. Yes i agree the sport has major problems and it is a long way from what it was.But i keep going because i love the sport and want it to survive and on the day of the meeting i forget all its problems and just enjoy it for what it is 4 very brave and very talented guys racing motorbikes for my enjoyment the same as it has always been.

If you dont go to speedway anymore why should any of this concern you ?I would think you are one of those so called fans that does not put any money into the sport by attending meetings but are happy to watch it on t v and then moan on that the sport is dying.Its so called stay away fans like yourself that is the main cause of that so put some money back into speedway or move on to another interest.

Yep thats what i mean by mod cons for the younger generation large screens in the toilets with hand sets to control the racing lol.

Best of luck its what our sport needs and it needs all the good news it can get at the momment.New people willing to give speedway a try these days must walk into our present stadium and think what a dump,the viewing is bobbins so they dont really get to see how exciting speedway racing can be and the speaker system is rubbish so they cant hear whats being said to name a few problems.So not a lot there for them to think i enjoyed that i will be back is there.Younger people these days seem to need their mod cons etc so in my opinion one of the ways we will get new poeple interested in out sport is to give them a nice stadium with comfort, good viewing( so they can see how good speedway racing can be),nice toilets etc to watch it in,a place that can compete with all the other interests out there all with nice stadiums, buildings etc.I would think that when the new stadium is up and running any newcomers that give it a try a far bigger persentage will be back for more.

You know i dont give a monkeys about anyones opinions on here.All i know is that i have the piece of mind now knowing that Belle vue speedway has a future(sad to say a few clubs have worrys about there own).I know that soon i will be watching my speedway in a stadium that is 100% better than the one i have watched it in for the last 20 odd years.I know that i now have more chance of seeing bigger meetings be it the W T C the ELRC the British final or whatever than i have now in the present stadium.I dont know but i would think that most riders would now consider riding for Belle vue where in the past alot would not giving us more chance of having some much needed success on the track.So whats not to like please carry on with your mostly pointless opinions(no one really cares you know) but i know that my oppinion is that I AM OVER THE MOON.

Im sad to say that everything in life seemed better when i was younger everything was new and exciting to me back then.The truth is that i have done and seen everything that interests me thousands of times and that i m o is why speedway back then seemed so much better than it is now in reallity it is very much the same as it was then.I still love it but it does not give me the same buzz as it did 45 years ago im sad to say.

Alot of clubs could if we just bite the bullet and admit that British speedway will never be the same again.Every year there are less top line riders willing to ride over here its only a matter of time till none of them will.I would love the elite league to be as it was but that is never going to happen again. So the option is do we tell the remaining top boys to sod off and then clubs can race on nights that they want and feel that they will get better crowds in.With the money they save from paying these top boys maybe they could cut a few quid off the admision price.At the mo we have 6 G P riders and maybe 6 or so others who would possibly not want to ride over here so would it be that much different.Most premier league fans seem happy with the quality of riders that they watch every week So do we see which riders really want to ride over here and then pick teams from those that do.The benifits no doubleing up riders,full teams at most meetings,watching different teams visit every week possibly cheaper speedway and could stop a few clubs closing down. I know all this seems a bit o t t but i think its going to happen over a few years anyway so why not do it now on our terms and maybe save a few clubs going to the wall. I know it is a gamble but things cannot be any worse than they are at the momment.