Leicester Lion

So do I. No-one is a "bad fan" just because their opinion differs to yours. Those who you collectively describe as "bad fans" have nothing to prove to you or anyone else.

No it doesn't.

Having a different opinion doesn't make anyone a bad fan.

He was gushing with praise for his riders.

Pedersen's experience averted disaster.

To be fair, at Leicester he's been onto a loser regardless of the track surface he has prepared.

And that's the problem. People don't tend to have personal grudges or unreasonable expectations about the racing. It's far easier to make a sweeping statement assuming that they all do than it is to do something constructive about the points actually being made. The sad thing is, many former Leicester regulars are choosing not to pay to watch, but no-one at the club seems remotely concerned. Stevebrum contributing the square root of zero to the discussion. Typical.

Diplomatic comments from Iversen.

Hemsley, trendy sunglasses perched on his head as always.

If he can get away with rolling at the start as much as he would like, he'll be a massive success at the ultimate gaters' paradise.

He might make himself some dough too.

A lot of well made points, a lot to respond to, but here goes... A lot of races at all levels are indeed won from the gate. But at BP the races are almost always strung out after the first half lap. At many other tracks, even if there is no passing in a race, the riders are often at least on the same part of the track as each other, not 30m apart. DH seems to have based the track on the Leicester cycle speedway track. The distances between the straights, and the distances between the corners are in exactly the same proportions. Swedish, and especially Polish tracks are longer than BP, but the straights are invariably much shorter compared with BP. The track appears to be narrow. In fact, it is regulation width (the FIM regulations say 10m minimum). The dimensions of the track severely limit the usable parts of the straights, so they appear narrower than they are. I agree that the centre green is too narrow, and the sharpness of the bends would be significantly reduced if the centre green was 10m wider (back straight to home straight). Were that the case, the track would be remarkably similar to King's Lynn (it's almost as if the track was wrongly marked out at the outset, and the outside of the home straight should have been the inside line instead - no-one could make such a fundamental mistake, could they?). I absolutely agree that the footprint was too small. Sadly, it had to be in order to get the planning application through because the other activities that were supposed to be sharing the "sports complex" required much of the space. The application relied heavily on the multi-use resource that BP was going to provide to the local community. Given the choice, no-one in their right mind would have set out to have standing areas on the corners and back straight less than 5m deep, would they? One of the most highly rated tracks for good racing was Trelawny, sadly now lost forever. In the available space at BP, it would be possible to move one or both of the corners to create a track of similar dimensions to Trelawny (which was just 230m long). This would give an added bonus of much more potential space for spectators on one or both corners. The expense of moving the drainage system at BP would appear to be prohibitive to any changes which involve significantly shortening the track.

As you appear to be setting robert72 up so you can say he's wrong, maybe you could just give us the correct answer.

Assuming the double negative was accidental, no doubt it'll be "end of chat" until next time you join in to tell the world of your tedium.

Unbelievable!

I'd normally say these sort of stats don't count for much, as races won from the back distort the figures. But then this is Leicester...

Poor judgment on Leicester's part to opt for PK at the ultimate gater's paradise. And to then slag him off in the press for his efforts is a disgrace.

I just used Google Earth to measure BP and Slater Street, the distances between the two straights and between the apexes of the corners. While there's bound to be some margin for error, the proportions of the two centre greens are remarkably similar.

But absences only count against Leicester.

Frozen for me too.

Unusually, I'm going to sound a bit like a clichéd Hemsley apologist here. I did count one pass after the second corner, Stead cut inside Porsing on bend 4 lap 1 of heat 1. But that was it. Normal for Leicester. I've never understood the obsession and excitement surrounding track records. The faster a race winner goes, the less chance an opponent has of catching him. Faster racing makes for worse entertainment.

You've said Phil Morris is driving it. What exactly does he do to drive it?

Is "taking a break" a euphemism for"withholding his services"? Yet another rider leaves...

Do those who say the racing is great and everything is fine at Leicester honestly believe it?

I'm making my own point, thanks.