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Now there`s a few people who know how to have a good time I was going to say "p#ss artists" but i thought "better not" Is it me or does it look like Ivan and Honey have just had a tiff?

Yeah,no luck

While we are on the subject of Michael can i ask about the`77 world final,heat 18 .Michael is waiting for the race to be re-run ,Olsen and Mauger are on 2 minutes and when the time is up Lee is still the only rider on the track I don`t know the rules that well but surely when a ref starts the 2 minute warning ,that is that.If the riders are not excluded you are surely putting the rider waiting(Lee) at a distinct disadvantage

Yeah apparently he and another rider from Oz turned up in England a few months before the main party of riders.They both done demonstration rides at Stamford Bridge for a number of news companies ,Pathe ,etc(possibly to be used as promotion film) .But it was only Galloway who really gave it some welly so to speak.Its in an old Speedie star.I`ve got it "handy" but can`t find it yet.Was also thinking if he was around for so long maybe he rode demos elsewhere Found it Keith McKay was the other rider.Movietone was another company filming

While your here just thought i`d ask if film of Billy Galloway riding for the cameras at Stamford Bridge in circa Feb `28.(few weeks before High Beech) survives?Probably the first speedway in london

Thanks Norbold.Was never sure what their colours were.I mean i`ve got Lionel Crossleys book and it does have a team photo with a star although with more points than the normal Dons or Norwich one.But i always figured it had something to do with the crossed gloves badge that we see.There is also a picture from a 1939 programme with a Bradford? style band across the race jacket so was never sure Any chance of an action photo of one of the ladies?No not that sort Taylour or Cowley

two bob is 10p Just be careful if he starts mentioning "thruppeny bits"Shazzy

Thanks Norbold.Magic Any ideas on the race jackets that Shep Shepherd and Tom Farndon are wearing.Sheps seems to be a plain jacket with nothing on it.Is Toms anything to do with the Star Riders?. Agree with newxranger the aerial view is super.Unfortunately for me it only brings back memories of the Den though.By the time i started supporting the Lions there wasnt much left of the speedway stadium .But i have stood on whats left of the terraces and wondered

Crystal Palace?

May i point you to the bottom of one of my posts where i point out that i was not refering to his ability,just using the Artist thing coz i thought he might understand what i was trying to say.DD isn`t putting him self up for comparison or competing in the same race as it were with Van Gogh and i wasn`t comparing them.As far as i know he is in a field of one and so can be called the King of Speedway Memorabilia paintings.If they aint particularly what i would hang on my wall that is all by the by.Maybe if you had read my post all the way through you would have seen it and we could have spent time on something else.Easy mistake to make though,done it myself.I think i have spent enough energy on you now ,your starting to bore me And to answer the question "Why should certain riders......?" My answer would be.Some cheat,some can`t be bothered to turn up,some cant be bothered to try.To give an example i went to a meeting here in Germany at the end of last season.Apart from some of the advertised riders not being there like Risager and a couple from Latvia,some of the others were riding the next day in a German Championship meeting and were using the meeting to try out bikes and were not wanting to get involved in actually racing.Was i happy that i paid for their practice?Was i ####

Then why the demolition job on him personally, his vocation, and his opinion, however much you consider it to be b###ocks. Dont you think that is a contradiction in itself? 'Art' is purely subjective, and I would not give you two bob for a Titian No one was prepared to give Van Gough a shilling in his lifetime for one of his paintings. I was merely trying to get over the point that the topic "Riders you would pay to watch" is a valid one.And doesn`t require having a pop at people for contributing to it.As it happens i was quite content to read the thread without contributing to it as there are too many riders that i could list.But when he came on like a (whatever) well i felt the urge to try and explain .And as you point out "Artists you would buy a painting from" is also a valid topic to discuss,but probably not here,eh The fact of the matter is that there are riders people will pay money to see and there are some poeple wont.Just ask any promoter

So does that not mean' date=' your not paying to watch all the riders riders against Ronnie as well??? Think about it...... OTE="Iris"'] For an artist you seem to have a serious lack of imagination I dont have any... Of course indirectly everyone payed to see the opponents that is all part of racing ,just as when i go to the cinema i pay indirectly to see the bit part players,but mainly it is the stars that poeple are paying to see.That is the point of the thread and a valid one i think it is. Maybe we can get a promoter to advertise a meeting featuring 16 top stars and then after everyone has payed their entrance fee we can get you to go out on the centre green and explain that 16 novices are going to ride instead ,but they are of equal value Worth a try eh ,as an experiment in value for money Just seen that bit at the bottom of your answer DD and the two bob bit wasn`t aimed at you.Don`t take things too personal,i`m only trying to explain my point

Thanks for support. You'll come in handy then. Not sure I understand your comparison though. Clearly, I have not an exclusive right to talk a lot of bo###cks. So the people that paid to watch Ronnie Moore, only paid to watch him then when they coughed up their money. They would have been quite happy to have watched him go around and around on his own then? I think you need to look at the whole picture and not try to pick little bits from what is said. If the gates double when a certain rider is present ,don`t you think the extra people have come to see him? And i would think they would expect to see him race against the mandatory amount of opponents or is that too hard to take in For an artist you seem to have a serious lack of imagination

I must say i don`t see the problem with such a thread.Some Artists sell paintings for thousands of pounds and some for two bob.That is because some are better than others and there is more demand for there work.You cant claim that anyone who put brush to canvas is of equal interest as Titian.The same goes for Speedway riders.Some earn more money because there is an obvious demand to see them.I think Ronnie Moore doubled Wimbledons gates when he made his come back.As Voltaire said DD "every one has the right to free speech and i will defend your right to speak a load of bo###cks to the death"

Just seen the programme from last night GSF and the A-Final does look good.Just a pity they concentrated more on crashes than racing.Far too short as well

Go to www.tvp.pl. Then click on sport and then Zuzel,click on the video bit by the photo to see a bit of action from yesterdays meeting won by Rune Holta including quite a nasty crash at the end

If anyones interested and has access,there will be a report on sunday night 21.00 on the ice speedway finals in Berlin,on RBB Brandenburg and probably RBB Berlin.Most probably most of the programme will be taken up by Football but some ice speedway will definitely be shown

If you have a programme from the 1985 British Final i would be interested as i seem to have lost mine

I would have thought a place in the USA side had to go to Scott Autrey .Personal opinion i know but through riding ability alone i think he was riding against far better opposition than say Billy Hamill and if it wasn`t for his determination to battle it out against the speedway authorities we might not have even heard of Penhall,Ermolenko etc.Lied to when told he could enter the World Championship in`73 and then basically ignored by the U.S authorities because he stayed here.Was it Mauger or Briggo that had to battle for his inclusion in the U.S side when the World Troupe visited.Superb rider .And no Aub Lawson?

GSF, did you see that chomisewitsch had a try out in Hamburg last month and we might be having an Ice speedway meeting here next year Also seen a report that they are thinking of putting ice speedway on at the AOL Arena .50,000 capacity stadium.If they can put Ice Speedway on there maybe they could put a Speedway GP on as well?

I was trying to come up with 5 venues for the Tests,Norbold.Any ideas? And i must admit i forgot all about Knutsson .It`s also interesting that you name Split Waterman as i was considering Eric Langton,Norman Parker,Brian Critcher and Ron How for the England team but had forgotten about him, temporary.Just as well your writing the books and not me!

What about an England vs Sweden test series England ...... Sweden Peter Collins ...... Ove Fundin Jack Parker ...... Tommy Jansson Michael Lee ..... Olle Nygren Peter Craven ..... Anders Michanek Kenny Carter ..... Soren Sjosten Tom Farndon ..... Tony Rickardsson Tommy Price ..... Bengt Jansson

Yes. Duggan would make the tractor ride let alone the final! who else would be on the tractor then Norbold?

That`s right Gredon,i thimk they nearly choked on their wurst when told how much money BSI wanted It`s a matter of finding a major sponsor to back the GP.I think there was also a bit of regional politics at play as the major backer is the ADAC(the german equivalent of the RAC) who are based in the south but the main fan base for speedway is in the north,Mecklenburg-Vorpommern(Güstrow,Teterow,Stralsund,Parchim,Ludwigslust) and is quite a poor area.Unemployment there is curently 21% compared to 10% in neighbouring Schleswig-Holstein,Niedersachsen or Hamburg

You just have to look in the Speedway GP section under Golden Helmet Pardubice and the answer is there ,as someone asked the same question just a week or so ago