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1.Ronnie Moore(i will use mirac for Oz ) 2.Briggo 3.Tommy Jansson 4.Peter Collins 5.Nicki Pedersen 6.Gollob 7Kevin Wölbert

But aren't riders generally happy with the GP tracks during practice?Apart from last years German GP that is!!!!It is during the meeting proper that the track plays up.But Parken is better than most.........let's hope Ole doesn't get the blame if AJ is too ill to ride tomorrow

1.Autrey 2.Penhall 3.Sigalos

Yes.But if sports are "all Ireland" such as boxing then boxers from the north are included in Ireland team,rather than GB and NI.So that should exclude any riders from Norn Iron from being in the GB team

Yes it is a bit childish now.I would have thought it was obvious from what i have said about riders and their jobs,that the same rules apply to refs as well I guess the thing is though is it a profession for the guys or a hobby?........bottom line again.It is a bit hard for professionals to have hobbyists making very important decisions(if that is the case,i don't know.Just making the point if it is).

Well.....when you post it is becoming stranger W.G.Grace wasn't a speedway rider and this sport isn't cricket.....and even cricket isn't the cricket it was.......Mike Gatting et al.Why on earth if a rider thinks the ref has made a bad decision can he not ask for that decision to be re-examined?Or to ask for the refs competence to be examined if the rider thinks the guy has made a series of failures over a period of time?This is their livelyhood we are talking about,not a hobby.That is the bottom line.....

Hmmm garf.....funny this topic should be brought up,as in Vojens a few weeks back on mentioning a certain young upstarts name i was startled to get a blunt reply back along the lines of this thread .....but i will say no more for fear of death

I agree.That is one of the points i was trying to make

Because i said they have different attitudes that makes one a World Champ and the other on the list of best riders never to win a world title.......then you go on to say how great Leigh is but doesn't have the attitude or mental strength to win a world title....... Everyone should have the chance to talk over grievances about their job.If more riders took Nicki's attitude then maybe the GP's would be better rather than just shrug their shoulders when the tracks are not up to scratch and refs might study the video footage and make an impartial judgment based on what happened.rather than judging an incident on which rider is involved or what they thought they saw...... But your last point is a good one........

You can't believe i said it.....then go on to repeat my arguement what i said We are discussing the World title here....and no amount of league stats were or will ever be relevant......

I remember that.My family had been to the south coast for the day and my dad came back via the old Connolly leather factory and the car got stuck in the flood water.We had to get out the car window and walk home

You are just guessing......but what i have said is a fact.Nicki and Leigh have different mental approaches.That is why Nicki has won a few titles and why Leigh hasn't won any.Leigh even said himself one or 2 years ago he would have a more tougher approach......but it was just talk in the end.Like you say,he was unfairly excluded and done nowt

There is a big difference between Leigh and Nicki in attitude.One is a mulitple World Champion and the other just doesn't have what it takes to win even a single title.I don't mean any disrespect to Leigh,but he just doesn't have the mental attitude for it.Nicki does.That might be why Nicki sat down with Ole and why Leigh just shrugs his shoulders?

Maybe...... But it probably isn't clever to give any ref 2 GP meetings in a row,anyway Unless he already had a holiday in Scandinavia booked for this period

I disagree...."open field" is probably a good description of some of the tracks this season

Oh,there is indeed.The link has already been posted previously on this thread

"favours"????? Someone has to be in a position to listen to complaints from the riders.I think it only fair that in any job there is a system in place where such things can be calmly and impartially investigated.Someone has to have the job.And i guess that is Olsen.It isn't easy to find top officials from Argentina,Ecuador or Papua New Guinea in our sport.That is why i guess a British ref was in charge of the Team U21 meeting this weekend in Germany where GB were competing.And there were a number of complaints on the net that he was for instance letting the British rider back in after a first bend fall,but excluded an Australian rider for the same thing in another heat.......

I am sure he listens to every complaint impartially I just hope the Swedish bloke takes note and doesn't make the same mistake as Mr Grodzki

That is your opinion.But it shows the human side of Ole Olsen.He has obviously sat down with Nicki and listened to his complaint.......and i guess came to the conclusion Nicki,i and a lot of others did.Namely Grodzski was wrong..........well done Ole

This decision vindicates Nicki i think.I hope we see some very red Danish knockers now Dekker of course seems to be just about the biggest knocker i have seen for a while

While i don't disagree with the idea.....who are the big 5 that will write this letter?Ok Gb is ok for airfenced tracks i guess,Poland as well and is Sweden now well fixed for them,i don't know?But apart from those countries Denmark only has Vojens with their padded fence.I don't know of any other track that has one there.Germany,Australia,Russia,Czecho........are there any tracks in these countries with an airfence?Like i said before,i would have thought the better option was for the FIM to get a couple of fences and supply them around to those tracks that are holding FIM meetings And just to add,as i think i said it before,but probably needs to be said again........i don't really see many promoters from GB and Sweden at least falling over themselves to host most of the FIM and UEM meetings each season???????Poland is maybe different.They do seem to host a number......

I think it would be too much to expect so many tracks to have an airfence needed to complete a full season of FIM and UEM meetings.But surely the FIm could have at least 2 airfences that could be transported to these tracks?You can be sure that in the countries well supplied with airfences there are not enough tracks /promoters that would want to host most of these meetings....The DMSB Vice President in the tv report is blaming "over enthusiastic" riders for the crashed.That is probably before Sönkes accident.He was saying the riders are riding with too much heart and not enough intelligence......but goes on to say the track isn't easy,but if it was down to the track then you would see crashes in all heats.They have 6 heats without incident,then a rider goes beyond his limits and there is another accident. The thing that has been noted by a lot of people who were there is the ref should have stopped the race before the accident with Sönke,but was very slow in putting on the red light.

Here is a short tv report on the meeting.At the time the teams didn't know how serious Sönkes injuries were Abensberg

Very sad to read about Sönke.I have seen the lad progress since i have been here in Germany.He rides for my local team,Brokstedt.I wish him and his family all the best for the future.I know his father is quite old and not in the best of health himself,but has been a constant help to Sönke.

You are funny-.........always popping up to criticize something but always seem to watch them Just have to have seen some of the EL meetings to see crap tracks that riders can't ride........