iris123

Like BFD and others have pointed out,you have made your point a number of times.We know you and a few others don't like the GPs.I don't see what banging on and on about it all the time is going to do.Doesn't matter how many times it is pointed out that the old system was terribly flawed and not very popular with promoters nor fans either for that matter you ignore these facts.You go on about it only being a proper World Championship if all riders compete,but have you actually talked to one rider who thinks he has unfairly been left out of qualifying?Have you or Sidney got as many riders that say they dislike the system and feel it is flawed as Phil Rising has talked to who say they like the system?All over the world there are meetings used as qualifiers....The Australian Championship now is used as a qualifier is it not?And you just have to read what some promoters post here to know how difficult it can be sometimes for them to get British riders to travel within the borders of the country,so i don't see how it is likely that every rider will be willing and able to travel abroad for a qualifier if they get that far......It is just nonsense some old codgers are talking here,looking back at the good old days.

Think the fact that it is his stepfather explains that

Oh sorry.Guess i should have known you like the basic idea,but not the way Bavarian said it should be run But as White Knight hasn't put any part in bold then the question goes out to him.But seeing as he didn't answer,nor as far as i know did sidney answer any of my points on the other thread,after i so painstakingly answered his points i might be waiting a while for an answer.......

Run this past me again....you like the idea of a pairs competition acting as a qualifier for the year afters WTC,but think that the individual qualifiers the year before for the GPs compromise or degrade the individual World Championship competition

Well in case it has not been noticed by you, this year young riders do have to travel to Argentina to compete in the U21 World Championship series.

No-one is saying the GPs are faultless.We have been there before.But that has absolutely nothing to do with your argument.Darcy was IN the qualifying system and FAILED to get through...... So what are you arguing about?You now seem to be saying because Argentina do not have a GP they shouldn't have a round in your fantasy World Championship.I guess you want to go back to the old system where most riders are in the quali's and most rounds are held in England?Hardly a "World" Championship is it?I remember a few years ago when Ivan Mauger held a round of the Longtrack series in NZ and a few Europeans moaned,one it seems from Ivans statement about the fact that he wouldn't win his title in front of his own fans.Mauger said he never had the chance to win the title in front of his own fans.So if you want a true World Championship why shouldn't NZ,Australia and Argentina be allowed to host rounds.And by that i mean international rounds,not just national rounds of your World Championship.And how do you think these young riders will be able to pay for these trips 1,000s of miles away from home?Because it canT truly be called a World Championship can it,if all the rounds are in Europe,preferably near England to cut the costs a bit

It is only "grossly inadequate" in your opinion.Any rider who has a fair chance of doing anything in the GPs and plenty of others who have next to no chance of doing anything all have the chance to qualify.You seem to be asking "why aren't more riders who have no chance being let in?".Quite frankly you seem to be fighting a cause that only exists in your mind and not one that any of the riders are fighting for.....

That is what some here fail to understand.If we had this open World Championship that Parsloes dreams of as being the only true "World Championship" worth the title.What happens if Argentina(which they would have every right to, surely?) applies for a round?How does Parsloes think even decent EL standard riders could fund a trip?And what about the rising young teenager in his first year who manages to get through the British qualies only to find he has won himself a spot in South America for the next round......it doesn't work looking at other sports and saying this is how they do it,why don't we?

You fail to understand what i said.The costs are not the same now,because a rider has to travel more.Back when you are talking about a rider could get almost to the Final just by riding in England.Now tell me the costs are the same as travelling to Latvia,Italy or Ukraine as it would be to travel to Poole or Birmingham....

Can only agree with you Philip.Some people here live in a time that has long since gone.It isn't possible any longer to get to the World Final by just or mainly riding in meetings in Britain.If we had the rather unlikely scenario that a PL or NL rider got through the old style British rounds he wouldn't be facing another round at King's Lynn,but more than likely a very costly trip to Eastern Europe,where if he did turn up he would have practicaly no chance of getting near qualifying for the next round.You'd end up with riders dropping out rather like the situation in some competitions now such as the European Championship.Last year i was at a round in Stralsund where two riders tied for a run-off but one rider found out where the next round was if he won and decided to drop out of the run-off.Some people just don't think of the cost of all this on Promoters and riders.The world has changed since the 60s + 70s

Same here.Lovely spring day today,but mostly rainy and grey.Saw on the news yesterday that in middle Germany at one place they have gone from 60cm snow down to 18cm in just over a week because of the mild temps....

For the early birds the first round of the Russian Final in Novosibirisk has started online http://www.sibnet.ru/stream/moto/

Seems it has ended his world title challenge and going by one headline i saw maybe his season

Not really surprised at that statement from Irina

Seems they were quite happy with young Myshkovets in Ufa.The first of the Krasnikov youngsters at only 15 years.Must have just missed the youngest trainee at 5 years old who fell off twice before the parade because his helmet was too heavy for his head But i tuned a few minutes too late.

In fairness there are two points i can think of.1.Poland is the speedway stronghold.It has enough fans to fill the stadiums without foreign fans.....2.Poland isn't an or on an island,so it is fairly easy for fans from neighbouring countries to get there by road and train. I think Cardiff needs to attract quite a few foregn fans and i do believe if the GP was in London it would be able to attract a lot more foregn fans.Saying that,it would need someone with a lot of money to spend on making it possible.But like Humphrey,i think if that person was to come along and offer to fund the project then Cardiff would be dropped pretty quickly.Not very likely though

Think on point one you need to go back and read what Phil said and my answer On point two.I kill two birds with one stone with Wembley.I get to visit my family and see a GP.Cardiff on the other hand is too much bother.You might find that hard to believe,but how many times in my life have i ever been to Cardiff?Answer.....zilch.So proof of the pudding is in the eating

Come on Phil....King's Lynn is easier to get to for many as is Barrow on Furness,but people from all over travel there.You don't build a major world famous stadium in a place no-one can reach.And when it was built people weren't as mobile as they are today It is world famous.Even here in Germany they talk about Wembley as one of the great sporting stadiums in the world.Who mentions Cardiff?I saw a speedway world final,Englad football and even Evel Knievel at Wembley,but wild horses wouldn't drag me to Cardiff because of it's location

Think you have it wrong.You said it was a bad location,but i said 1000s manage to fill the place for Football or Rugby Finals for instance.They manage to get to the place all right and most don't live next door or for Rugby at least even in London.So i don't take that as a valid argument.Got nothing to do with crowd levels at league games,just logistics You can't get me to believe Cardiff is in a better location than the capital city.Wembley is near probably the main motorway in Britain and one of the main airports in Europe.Cardiff is ??????? Hand on heart i have never been there in my life and doubt i ever will go.It is so out of the way and i doubt most people had ever been there before the GPs were held there apart from some Welsh supporters on here

I think you have read my post wrong Sidney.I said it was a dream world to think Wembley would be full for such a meeting.I never said it was stupid or any other word to consider Wembley.I even said i would be there like a shot.Just i don't think there will be 70 or 80 thousand people queueing up to get in with me.They did hold the Race of Champions meeting there with cars,so i guess speedway could also be held.Number of factors though,like someone willing to put up the money and needing media and sponsorship interest.Getting tv personalities interested would be a good start.I remember going to Gelsenkirchen along with about 10,000 was it.But a couple of weeks later a Stock Car meeting at the same stadium got about double the speedway.And all because it was organised by a popular tv presenter and shown on tv.Now of course it is far easier for tv personalities to drive cars round tracks and cars are more popular than bikes,but just goes to show what tv exposure can do.

I do agree with you on a number of points,but the location........it doesn't seem to and never has hindered all the 1000s who turn up for Cup Finals and other events.Can't remember ever seeing a half full Wembley for a Cup Final because half the crowd were stuck in jams or couldn't find the place I do agree with you that i think Parsloes is living in a bit of a dream world when repeatedly says for a "big" meeting the place would sell out.I doubt it would be much more than half full,the same as Cardiff isn't.Like you say,the FA can hardly be said to be speedway friendly and neither is the London press as far as i am aware,so it would be hard to sell the event.Still,from a personal point of view i would definitelly be there if a GP was held at Wembley

Probably about as much chance as holding it in the Royal Albert Hall

No you didn't,and nowhere do i say you did.What i did say for the second time so you might understand.A few days ago you started a thread in which Daves surname didn't get past the forum filter.A matter which was subsequently commented on.Now,low and behold you start another thread in which the same surname also funnily enough doesn't get through the forum filter and is commented on.......strange eh? And i think if i am correct your punchline has already been used a few days ago in another thread.....?

I think it is because of "poor old Dave" that the name cannot be posted on this forum Although i do seem to smell something fishy here,as speedyguy started a thread with Dave no name mentioned in it a few days ago

I think Norbold rates Tom Farndon as one of,if not the best rider of all time.It is of course personal interpretation of facts.But this is all for a different thread in another section surely.And has been done fairly often.This thread is about the GPs and the old World Final system has been brought into it.Basically the fans,press,sponsors etc prefer the GPs.I don't hear any real demand apart from a few old guys and trees for the return of the one day final.It won't happen, and if it does Britain and Parsloes will be treated to it once or twice a decade.1976 has gone and can't be relived apart from on video/dvd.And i don't know how to break it to Parsloes.......but Led Zeppelin have split up