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Well i will say that this time i do believe him,after being sceptical last year.And echo Mr.Ore's sentiments....this is the friendly thread Always look forward to it,and to hopefully meeting up with some of the posters.Sadly,Berlin dropping out of the FIM meetings meant i didn't meet up with Conkers this time,but met Dutchgrasstrack for the first(and second time) Fingers crossed for next year that the weather is kinder to some of the promoters and we have Inzell back as well as Berlin + Dresden.My one disappointment was that Mats Järf didn't progress as i thought he would.Hope one or two non-Russians come through.Henderson the best bet at the moment.So,i would also like tothank all that have contributed with facts and opinions over the last few months

Ya got in for nowt and probably got one of those super duper programmes handed to you along with all theose prawn sarnies and free beer.what more do you want?

Think you have forgotten something what link?

The French flag is on the official meeting posters + the French team for the meeting has been announced,so.....anyones guess then

Just wondering out loud really......we have seen it in football for instance when England have signed a deal with boot sponsors + players have a problem because they have personal deals with rival firms......I guess it is ok for Crump to have Red Bull logos displayed.Not sure about holding a can of the stuff inhis hand when being interviewed

Sure most of us a really excited at this.Well maybe Humphrey + trees excepted.But it might be a bit embarrasing if one of the Red Bull lads wins a GP or even the title

Berlin Ice Challenge + Golden Spike 24/25.03.2012 1.N.Krasnikov (Rus) 29pts 2.D.Koltakov (Rus) 28 3.F.Zorn (Aut) 26 4.G.Bauer (Ger) 24 5.A.Aakko (Fin) 22 6.S.Svensson (Swe) 18 7.A.Klatovsky (Cz) 16 8.M.Niedermaier (Ger) 15 9.P-O.Serenius (Swe) 15 10.J.Klatovsky (Cz) 12 11.S.Holstein (NL) 10 12.M.Leitner (Aut) 8 13.S.Pletschacher (Ger) 7 14.F.Mayerbüchler jnr (Ger) 4 15.J.Seppänen (Fin) 3 16.T.Wiest /Ger) 1 17.R.Häring (CH) 1 Final 1.N.Krasnikov 2.D.Koltakov 3.F.Zorn 4.G.Bauer Golden Spike series results 1.F.Zorn 42 2.S.Pletschacher 30 3.A.Klatovsky 30 4.T.Wiest 26 5.J.Klatovsky 24 Full results http://eisspeedway-dresden.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&Itemid=158

Strange.....wonder what they consider a "short track",as West Maitland in 1923 wouldn't really qualify surely?

Results(a bit late)from last weekends meeting in Dresden.First meeting in the stadium/city for 20 years and the +20°C caused a few problems for the ice on sunday,so it was decided before the meeting to only race 3 lap heats.The ice was pretty thin and there were a few spills.Jouni Seppänen told me he thought the ice cracked under him and was partly to blame for one fall.Harald Simon also pulled out of the meeting after a fall,as a precaution.Not wanting to risk anything whilst the world championship is still running.Also another incident with Klabo on the sunday riding hard and being excluded,then leaving his bike on the track and going up to the refs box to protest.... Sa. 18.03.2012 German Open Dresden: 1. Per-Olof Serenius (S), 15 2. Pavel Tschaijka (RUS), 14 3. Antonin Klatovsky (CZ), 13 4. Stefan Pletschacher (D), 12 5. Thomas Wiest (D), 9 6. Miroslaw Daniszewski (PL), 9 7. Pawel Strugala (PL), 8 8. Charly Ebner jr. (A), 6 9. Petr Klauz (CZ), 6 10. Markus Jell (D), 5 11. Charly Ebner (A), 5 12. Martin Posch (A), 5 13. Jo Saetre (N), 5 14. Jouni Seppänen (FIN), 4 15. Ronny Häring (CH), 2 16. Jürgen Reimann (D), 2 So. 19.03.2012 Golden Spike 1. Dmitri Khomitsevich RUS (3 3 3 3 3) 15 2. Franky Zorn AUT (3 3 3 3 2) 14 3. Pavel Tsjajka RUS (2 1 2 3 3) 11 4. Vitaly Khomitsevich RUS (2 2 3 3 X) 10 5. Stefan Svensson SWE (3 3 2 1 1) 10 6. Harald Simon AUT (3 3 3 X -) 9 7. Per Olov Serenius SWE (2 0 1 2 3) 8 8. Stefan Pletschacher GER (1 1 2 0 3) 7 9. Max Niedermeier GER (1 2 2 2 0) 7 10. Antonin Klatovsky CZ (1 2 X 2 2) 7 11. Jan Klatovsky CZ (0 2 0 2 2) 6 12. Sven Holstein NL (2 1 X 1 1) 5 13. Grzegorz Knapp POL (0 0 1 1 2) 4 14. Thomas Wiest GER (1 1 X 0 1) 3 15. Charly Ebner jnr AUT (0 0 1 0 0) 1 16. Jouni Sepanen FIN (0 X X 0 1) 1 17. Charly Ebner snr AUT (1 0) 1

Very important.And also important to understand just what is being said.As we know it certainly wasn't universally 'accepted'.So who was it accepted by?Where they in a position to know anything about the origins?And did those people who were involved in any of the meetings before Hoskins came on the scene accept the fact?know that Hoskins was claiming to have invented it or given a chance to have their say on the subject?Did anyone for instance ever ask any of the early Americans?

I did provide a link to a newpaper article from the States from around 1912 or so(might have been earlier or a bit later,not got time to search)which described track racing as 'speedway racing'.This coming from their use of the term 'speedway' for their tracks.Think it might have been from Indianapolis.But there were cars and also bikes at the meeting.I would think it just came to be used as a term in the States and the terms were copied in Australia at first then Britain when the sport arrived,because in 1928 it was Crystal Palace Speedway.I tend to go with the idea that the sport was developed in the States and then furthered in Australia.Some of the bike companies were even producing racing bikes without brakes in the States and we know they were broadsiding there well before 1923.And they weren't at Maitland i think at first and did they have brakes at Maitland?(i can't remember if it is known...)

None of this moves the debate forward though.Just yet again,Hoskins said he invented speedway and people accepted it.But we already have seen that not everyone accepted it back in the 30s and not everyone accepts it today.So..........

I thought Newcastle were,and even had him lined up for this season.Seems plans have changed.

Apparently Robert was in Germany over the weekend training with the various German squads and caught the eye of ex World Champ Egon Müller who seems to be contemplating helping him out....

I think if we talk about 'club men',we shouldn't forget Ronnie Greene who was at Wimbledon from the early 30's til the early 70's i think i am right in saying. Been a few at foreign clubs that have done more than 20 years service.Huszcza in Poland and was it Samuelsson in Sweden.But i think the rider at the moment with the longest unbroken service must be Matten Kröger at Brokstedt who a few years back recieved a medal for 25 years service,so must be going into his 27th or 28th season now.....

You asked "Now take today how many people would name any sportsmen from 70 years ago(i.e 1942)".I was showing you that sportsmen from before that date are remembered.As it is there was something a bit more important happening in the world in 1942,so i am not quite certain if any world championships were held that year......

Someone even wrote a book about Tom.Apparently there are also books out on Jesus Christ,Tutankhamun and Saladin,although i doubt anyone can remember seeing them in action

What about John.L.Sullivan?Jack Johnson?Jesse Owens?etc,etc,etc

Trouble is though,speedway has never really as far as i remember attracted a big motorbike following.I was a bike rider until a couple of years ago,but was one of only a very few that ever turned up at a speedway meeting.I don't remember big biker attendances in England and in Germany + Denmark it is also a handful out of a crowd of 1,000+.The only meeting i know that you get maybe 100 bikes at is Brokstedt on a May bank holiday.Still,out of 4,000 people 100 bikers is probably a market too small to invest in

Guess you must be wrong......the first post stated that it was from the 3 match series in Poland and then evidence was given for those 3 tests,so i don't know why we then get onto the British held event? Would be an idea to get in touch with Brian Collins as he might just have the programmes from the Polish meetings

Well i would put all three higher up than quite a few that have been mentioned.Nicholls won the Czech Golden Helmet,which at the time was a big meeting with a world class line-up.Richardson was World U21 champ and Harris did win the British GP.Just on that i would put them up higher than probably half the riders being mentioned over the last day......Just my opinion though.But that is the way with these threads.Starts out fair enough,but then people seem to want to get their two-penneth worth in and you just end up with a list of riders.Half of which you wouldn't mention in the same category as Craven,Collins or Lee.......

Lol.Seems like it,as Nicholls,Harris and Richardson can easily be compared to a number of the names now getting mentioned.Start by talking about Peter Craven and end up mentioning Evitts,Doncaster and the Grahame Bros

Haha....just knew either you or Trees would try and bring a negative take on this news

If you're looking for British League averages then Frigbo's site is always worth a look http://wwosbackup.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mriders&action=display&thread=1811

Haven't read all the thread,but i fail to see why Cardiff having rats is any advantage.I am sure we could get some in London as well