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Well Otti has posted the FIM official results that were sent to her and Niedermaier is through.But anything can and does happen.I can't actually get it to load up clear enough to see,but seeing as she say's it is Max i guess she can-Wait and see until the committee meets later eh?

I could possibly see Krasnikov not taking his place in the GPs......highly unlikely,but maybe to let someone like Kononov through.He has found the love of his life so it seems and i do think that is part of what has given him enthusiasm to show the new woman in his life just how good he is.Macho type thing ya know But it might be that he decides he doesn't need to do the GPs,just win the quali and let someone else through.Who knows what goes on in a blokes mind when in love?

Not sure where you get the first idea from.But i do fully expect Ivanov + Krasnikov to get through their round and the Khomitsevitch bros to make their round.If as is being said only 6 Russians are allowed through then sure i can't see anyway that Kononov gets through without withdrawals or injuries.Seems speedway.org have the qualifiers confirmed from Russian official.....

Kononov out!!!! Quite a surprise in Lukhovitsy.But as only 6 Russian riders are allowed through to the GP series we have the situation where only two qualified through from this round.Krysov + Karachintsev along with the two best non Russians.Aakko + Max Niedermaier Results here http://www.speedway.org/eisspeedwaygp/2012/quali/index.html#lukhovitsy

Yeah,but don't forget one the most naturally talented riders ever.Surely on decent equipment he fits the bill?

Yes,sorry my mistake.I have been to enough DSL meetings to know that But it still stands....6 or 5 riders

Yes.And i think there is a fairly well known tale of Simon Wigg using a Dutch licence and wearing a Dutch race jacket in world championship longtrack,but he didn't want them to play the Netherlands national anthem when he won.Marvyn Cox rode as a German at one stage

I really can't see the problem.The wild card is there for a number of reasons and speedway exists in a financial world as do all sports.Look at the reason a number of football world cups have been or will be held in countries witout a great footballing tradition.Look at where F1 has ended up over the past decade.And look at riders that have been given a wild card over the past few years.Mikkel B for instance last season.So many on here saying "who?" or putting him down.He certainly wasn't in the top 5 Danish riders not permanently in the GPs.Look at some of the Czech riders lately.The wild card isn't going to be up there challenging for the championship at the end of the season.If this is who the promoter thinks will be the best bet to help him then we should accept it.It is him after all that is taking the risks and hopefully he knows what he is doing and trying to achieve

I don't know quite what speedyguy is basing this on.I don't have much info at hand unless i dig deep in my cellar for records.How did he do in the US league meetings for instance?And there must have been a good few open meetings at the time with international line-ups.online you can see the test series from 1971 which was earlyish in his career.But apart from a good meeting at Costa Mesa(where else....)he looked decidely average at the big Ascot Park track where he could only beat Dave Gifford + George Hunter.Hardly world class riders.I would like to see more records of Basts meetings from his peak.And particularly how he did away from Costa Mesa at places like Ascot Park over a period and not just the one meeting Having looked further he does seem to have had some impressive scores in US v Rest of the World meetings in that 74-79 period up against riders like Mauger,Michanek,Plech and Collins.But the scores at Ascot are definitely much weaker

Not so sure about this idea,but i guess it might make some money for the clubs?And will it be held at a neutral venue or the track of the team with most points from the 56 meetings?Is a little strange to have a league with 6 man teams and pairs riding for 56 meetings,then a completely different format for one meeting.But this is speedway folks

Keep up Parsloes old boy.Don't you read the threads any more?Look at one of the first posts on this thread for an explanation

Think a number of us saw him at White City.I certainly did.Also saw him at Wimbledon beforehand and got his autograph.But like it has been said it is impossible to judge him on that display.Just like it would have been with Panhall if that was his one and only meeting in the country.It is all speculation based on his performances in the States against the best that they had plus his performances with the Ivan/Briggo troupe etc abroad

Exactly.Don't know how many times it has been posted on here,but if i had a tenner for every time i think i could afford the trip to NZ

Did Laguta wear a Latvian jacket when he was the Latvian wild card even though he is Russian?

Facebook mate.Told you everyone is on there Thought you might know that.Apparently he has been getting abuse on websites and guest books and even abusive sms' and seeing as you speal Swedish i thought you would have seen some of the abusive posts.And of course the main factor for the abuse was the problem with Posa.But it seems like as elsewhere in speedway he hasn't been getting the proper backing and been taking flak for a while.But as i don't speak Swedish and Sweden or should i say Swedish Ice Racing isn't a main point of interest for me i might as so often be talking bowlaks

wajust going by what Karina Flyktman posted elsewhere.i.e "you cannot get a WC if you don't qualify.read the regs".Now i took that to mena "if you don't enter the qualis" because if you qualify you don't need a WC But i didn't and have no intention of reading the regs.....ever!!!!

From what i have seen,you can only choose a wild card from the riders who have entered the qualifying rounds.So if Posa has pulled out then he doesn't stand a chance.Which is only right and fair on the others

Nice one sidney.Not often someone here admits to being wrong.It is all opinions of course,but no way could i see how you were getting your figures on the other threads

Well the latest one,to send Posa + Svensson into the hardest qualifier for the World Championships and the weaker riders into the easier qualis was the straw that broke the camels back.Once Posa disagreed and pulled out it was always likely to cause some problems.The fans generally stand behind the riders and not a team manager in these things.Jacqueline was hoping Posa would get a WC for the Swedish GP,but i couldn't see how that was possible after his decision.In a way i agree with Jansson's idea.It is risky of course,but you hope maybe if it comes off you end up with 3 Swedish guys through instead of two.A manager has to be tough and stick by what he thinks is right,but shouldn't be upsetting his best riders either

Well he rode on very big tracks in Australia with Ivan + Briggo.Who knows?But it just wasn't for him being away from California

Well in his own words “It was cold, miserable, the food was bad and there was no money,” he said. “I was making 50 to 60 thousand a year in America living at the beach. So I never really rode British League. I kind of thought I was the world’s best at one time, but since I never competed in Europe on a regular basis, I never had a real shot at winning the world title.” He was one of if not the most talented US rider of the 70s,but didn't need British speedway to make a comfortable living.Just like Egon Müller.If either or both had really got stuck in and shown dedication to really become the best rider in the world i do think Egon could have done it and quite possibly Mike Bast would have been right up there as well.Imposible to say though for sure.But like i have mentioned on another thread if the world championship hadn't been so based around British tracks back in the 60s and 70s and before then why couldn't he have been.It is another point that shows how it was not really fair on riders who didn't want to be based in GB

Well it was you that said if everyone doesn't get a chance to qualify;so i assumed once it was pointed out this wasn't the case in previous years surely you would admit the old system also had many faults and couldn't be called a proper world championship in your opinion also.But i know you wiggle and squirm out of things you say,like a wiggly squirmy thing,so am not surprised you try to ignore your own rules for what a proper world championship entails As has been pointed out by me and at least one other the Australian championships are used as a qualifier for the riders that the MA choose to go through to the GP qualifiers.Is that too hard for you to understand that it is a step on the road to qualifying for the GPs.......i.e a GP qualifier in effect.The fact that GB do not have meetings which include NL novices and such like is the choice of the BSPA and doesn't in any way bring the quality of the GPs down a level. Already been answered Parsloes or are you reading the Braile version of the forum?Surely it can't be spurious that riders were not included into the qualifiers?After all it was you making all the fuss about the fact that riders weren't allowed to qualify.But when pointed out how many riders in the past were not allowed,you ignore this fact.But to no surprise to me.

I refer the gentleman to the answer given previously which clearly states this was not the case

But there has been a continual line of youngsters that have come in and generally stayed in.Or if not at least been given a chance....Jonsson,Hampel,Lindgren,Bjerre,Sajfutdinov,Holder.Others that couldn' stay the pace like Chrzanowski,Kasprzak,Woffinden,Laguta.I think talent is never constant anyway,in that there was never a period when a potential world champion per year was produced.Some periods might have been better than others,but i don't think we are in such a bad state at the moment.And potential GP stars of the future are on their way in Ward,Janowski and hopefully one or two of the Danish kids.And oops,but i forgot Lindbäck as well.......in one of those groupings

Sidney can we not put a stop at least to this idea that there was ever a system that was fair to all.How many times does it need to be posted that in previous years you had to ride in Britain and of course had to agree to the Promoters wage terms to be allowed into the World Championship.The fact that Briggo was threatened that if he didn't sign the deal on offer he wouldn't be allowed to defend his title shows clearly the system wasn't fair at all.I give you yet again a chance to tell me which years it was open to everyone and fair.Hope this time it wasn't a tongue in cheek comment