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Good post.Like i said there is so much we don't know about all this.I am neither for or against at the moment because we really know so little.I find myself arguing against those "against" because their arguments hold little basis in fact so it seems.Obviously i would guess one or two of those questions are answered.If they hire a track(say Leicester or rye),then staff/equipment would be supplied by that track?Not sure how it works at every track but would guess the promoter would not only gain in hiring the track out but also gain from car park and food/bar sales?Again going from what i/we have heard from promoters in the past they lose money everytime they open the gates.I think Matt Ford said that.We also have heard that some promoters want less meetings(Eastbourne for instance)but are generally forced to agree a certain amount.Now on the face of it letting someone else take up one of those nights must be a win-win situation?

Yes.....i did say i don't know what their plans were.......but i have seen they have done a good job with MotoX......now i think they had plans to do speedway meetings,not MotoX,so i don't know how they were going to run speedway meetings.Now you tell me where the contradiction is in those stetements that i know they are an organistation that run MotoX meetings,but don't know what there plans are for the speedway series?Did i ever say i didn't know who they were?Point it out to me please....Confused of HamburgI hate getting into conversations with people who can't read and understand!!!!

Try to remain sensible.First we have comments that it isn't possible to run speedway,which plainly isn't true.Now you go on about not knowing the people when they clearly have history,just not in speedway.If they were fly by night merchants the MotoX people would be up in arms.It seems they are so fly by night that Red Bull work with them!!!!! So try to argue with some sense

That is part of the problem.We really have little info,so don't know what the plans were.All we can gather is they were going to pay out money for the use of stadiums and riders.So that answers your question on who it was going to help.Fans have the choice of whether to go to one of these meetings or not,so it seems as far as i can see no-one was going to be out of pocket apart from maybe MCF,so who is it harming?At the moment we don't know if this opposition is unexpected to the MCF or if they aren't going to go away just because the SCB tell them to.It is plain the sport is in a bad shape.The only ones responsible are the BSPA.They are not though going to let someone just mosey up and start running their own show using BSPA facilities and riders.It will take confrontation and money.Someone wanting to shake things up are going to need a few tracks and a good amount of riders on their pay-roll.Like someone else said in the end fans couldn't care less who is running things as long as the product is good.If they have good ideas,good sponsors and can take the sport forward i hope they don't give up after one failed try

You can't really compare the position.The BSPA have been running the show for decades,so if this was all they could come up with to move the sport forward then sure,no-one would be impressed.The fact is though this is a new group trying something.So where do they start?Juniors wouldn't really be right and Elite riders wouldn't take much notice unless big money was thrown at them.To me this is just the right level to test the waters.

It is a problem.I mentioned this last year it must have been when i saw their .programme.What you end up with is a strange looking show which frustrates the Ice Speedway fans like us and doesn't attract those potential fans like f-s-p

Exactly.Football is in pretty good shape and it would take some fantastic amount to set up a rival competition.And why would anyone when the competition is great anyway.But the same on all counts can't be said for speedway.

Surely it is just a matter of money? If someone has enough money to buy Rooney and another 30 or so players from clubs and then buy or build a stadium he can get them to play matches and call it what he wants?Same as if someone wanted to set up another cricket competition or darts competition.As long as you employ the players.Speedway teams don't.But if say a speedway club wanted to run a benefit football match for a rider would they really have to get FA authority?Even if they played the game in a proper stadium?The thing with speedway is it seems to be held together not by rule of law,but the fact that everyone plays the game.If of course someone came along and decided not to play ball they shouldn't expect an easy ride,but is there at the end of the day anything to stop pirate tracks and or a pirate competition being set up?Like Deano,i don't quite see the speedway set up being exactly the same as football

There is a report in the German media of this and of foreign riders having their licences suspended so they can't ride and also of the promoter having collapsed and is in hospital from the pressure of it all.Apparently he has been criticised by the previous promoter and at least one ex rider

It is hardly "nit-picking" if you have quoted someone when he was talking about the SCB and then answered about the BSPA ???? If you bother to quote someone,surely you should know what he is talking about as you have edited it down.No wonder the thread turns into a shambles if you don't even know what someone is talking about And typical,instead of holding your hand up and appologising or saying "i read it wrong" you go off on one criticising others!!!!

Laughing in the face of corrupt local politicians and Chechen rebels,Togliatti + the FIM will today and tomorrow be hosting two GP rounds of the world Ice Speedway Championship.How they do it can be seen live Stream Live

Er....have we jumped to the wrong conclusion here or not read properly?The way i read it Roger Jacobs was at this point specifically talking about the SCB, not the BSPA..And looking at the SCB website encouragement is exactly the word used.So why we get onto the BSPA i don't know.Or are we saying the BSPA and the SCB are one and the same?Looking at the members list of the SCB i don't think Jim McMillan for instance is a promoter As it specifically mentions that one of their powers is to conclude agreements with the BSPA i would imagine they are not the same

http://www.speedweek.de/art_32833.html

Got to love this.Now we have Chechen terrorists being a threat to a GP!I went to plenty of speedway meetings in London including a world final at Wembley during the height of the Irish troubles.There might be hurdles to get over,but i think it is slightly ott to introduce Chechen terrorists to the list of problems facing BSI As it is Togliatti just this wednesday held an international Ice Speedway meeting with a brand new Lada as the main prize with riders from Germany,Austria,Finland and Sweden.No trouble from terrorists

Sidney,the thread is about a week in speedway or are you thinking of the "3 day week"?

"One camera and a bloke in a booth" I think he is thinking of Europorn rather than Eurosport

Think there are a few in West Ham.

Jens Budden?Isn't he a german sidecar rider or something,just turned to then sport?Is "Saksa" germany?What is he doing in the Finnish qualis

That is true.But wasn't a fair bit of that hype scaremongering from British promoters?.I seem to remember a PL promoter using the Russian league as an excuse as to why he couldn't sign any decent east European(i think) riders as they were all riding in Russia.Absolute nonsense as the amount of riders riding there was quite small.But there was still and still is to an extent very good money to be earnt there.The big individual meeting in Togliatti is one i think Nicki didn't want to miss.The vastness of the country makes it very hard for league to really take off.That doesn't mean that certain tracks like Togliatti aren't attractive to BSI

That is of course true up to a point.That point being you can only host a certain amount of GPs per season.If one or wto of the mooted venues come up with the readies something has to give.I imagine Italy would be high on the list to go But this does point to the GPs being relatively healthy if there is a list of venues wanting to host a GP longer than the calendar can fit into a season

Viewing figures?Are you talking overall or just in the UK?As for attendances.Isn't that partly due to dropping/losing a few well supported venues and adding less well supported ones for the time being?Temporary really.If Vojens manages to gain support from the local council and come back then you automatically get an attendance boost again.Like i say if Russia came in then that stadium would be full as well and dropping Italy would give the average attendance another boost.That is one big question mark on the GP series.Why have an Italian GP?I honestly don't know the anwer to that one

Could it be that anyone(Sky or a.n.other)is willing to go into the season to try and negotiate a rock bottom deal?I mean missing the NZ GP isn't such a big thing for viewing/advertising figures because of the time it is on.They could always show a highlights programme at a later date.But it will make BSI/IMG sweat a bit Some could be jumping to conclusions that it won't be shown somewhere and i still don't think it will have a devastating effect on the GPs.As long as the other tv deals are in place there isn't too much damage done.Of course as someone else pointed out much more critical would be if speedway in Poland implodes.But we do have promised moves to Finland,the US and possibly Russia.Finland and Russia could be important markets for Monster.Saw some winter sport from Russia recently being sponsored by i guess their own brand of energy drink.There are so many now!!!!And they have a fantastic stadium,lots of fans and money to throw around.Saw a report a few days ago about the winter Olympic facilities being built there. There have been for years a small group predicting the downfall of the GPs and it hasn't happned.Only as recently as a year or two ago some here were saying how stale they were.Now we have a great bunch of youngsters coming through.Like the know has stated maybe some of the presentation needs tuning up,but if they get through the semis and final a bit quicker that would help.I honestly still feel the GPs are moving forward rather than standing still.Slowly,but surely

Seems like a small over-reaction.How many riders have british sponsors?I would guess riders like Emil,Gollob and Nicki etc don't have any or many british sponsors,so their markets are fine with coverage in Sweden,Denmark and Poland,plus the European Eurosport coverage.I guess of the riders only Woffinden,Holder and Ward have mainly British sponsors and then Holder and ward might have big polish sponsors(not sure),so won't be affected all that much. It is a blow,but not a fatal one i think.Maybe Phil Rising will tell us or maybe he will put a positive spin on this?lol

Moorwinkelsdamm would be the likely choice i guess.They used to host "Dutch" meetings a few years ago from memory