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Hope you knew if they were injured or not before booking them for meetings

Obviously it doesn't as YOU pointed out that normally you have to be 21 to ride a 500cc

Might be some hope for us in Germany.After his win in NZ Smolinski wants to sit down and discuss things with Paul Bellamy.He has arranged a meeting before the next GP.Seems BSI want to open new talks with Sport 1.But Smolinski say's "there are more channels than Sport !" and has a plan.......Looks like Sport ! have little money or air time on saturdays after buying up the rights to a few football leagues. http://www.speedweek.com/speedwaygp/news/54428/Speedway-GP-im-TV-Was-Martin-Smolinski-unternimmt.html

Maybe you are asking the wrong person this question as i wasn't the one who brought strength up.I just suggested a competence test,something which it seems they have in the Netherlands we have been told.For me like i said if they can ride a number of heats at a given speed and what i think should also be compulsory is to be able to lay the bike down at a given signal.There is nothing to suggest someone suddenly gets stronger on their 15 birthday This is also the great Jack Parker who told his brother whilst the young Ronnie Moore was sitting next to them to "tell your boy if he doesn't back off then i am going to kill him"!!!! And that is where i do tend to agree with the very good point Vince bought up.It is a lot about the attitude of the other riders.How do they cope with a "young upstart" who comes on the scene and beats them.Jack Parker and a few of the other stars of the day didn't take too kind to the teenager Ronnie Moore showing them the way home.It seemed some riders in modern times didn't take too kindly to the female from Denmark Sabrina Bogh beating them.I was told there was little or no problem from local riders,who were used to women racing,but when she moved onto the international scene then rider from eastern Europe didn't like getting beaten by a woman and went out to get her.Maybe the more relaxed atmosphere in germany is better suited to a 14 year old staring out. I'd guess i am one of very few on this thread,on this forum that has witnessed 14 years olds racing speedway.I am one of a few that witnessed Robert Lambert as a 14 year old riding against guys 4,5 or 6 years older than him and he made minced meat of them.But i guess you just have to wonder about the incident last night and if a rider had have kicked Lambert when he was on the track that could well have caused a major incident.You can't compare speedway with driving on the roads,because if that incident last night had happened on a street then someone might....should have ended up in prison.In speedway or in many other sports the law of the land doesn't apply.But imo the people who should not be on the track are those who "fence" or attack a fellow rider and not someone with a special talent

Yes,but we have also had similar cases with women put in the fence.And are girls of 15 as strong as boys?Is there a different rule for girls + boys?I do remember a few young girls riding as well,although a couple of sisters have just last season moved up to 500cc and only wanted to do demo/training rides.But from talking to them it did seem as if that was their own choice..

Yup.That is what i have also stated.Just imo because of the small numbers i think it could be a flexible rule based on ability rather than one that states wednesday you can't ride,but thursday because you have a birthday you can......

Or the Germans.......in all my time here i have never seen or heard of such an incident tbh.The one incident that comes to mind with a "junior" rider was the unfortunate accident involving Sönke Petersen who rode for a number of years on 500cc from the age of 14 until the sad day when he was about 20 years old he came off his bike and went feet first into a fence,.Sadly a rider can have a bad accident on any bike and at any age

It isn't easy,but i do think in the case of speedway where we are dealing with such small numbers there could be a deal of flexibility.These things are all different in the speedway world as well as in real world.SCB states that even at the age of 19 you can't ride a 500cc on the road,but could be speedway world champion.But i do understand that you make an exception and where do you draw the line.My personal opinion is if a rider can do 4 laps of a track on a 500cc in a NL standard time on any given track then he should be ready.If someone can't then they ain't

Just going by Addios statement that you can't hold a driving licence under the age of 16.You have proved him and me wrong :t:But like i said a competence test for the 20 or 30 youngsters who might want to race a 500cc is a hell of a lot less complicated than the 100s of thousands who might want to do so on the road That could be said of you and about 20 or 50 threads Pot,kettle + black anyone?

Is he allowed to drive around on the roads in a small car then until he is 16,but not a proper one ?Think there is a big difference with your example.He is allowed to ride motorbikes in races.He is even allowed to ride a 500cc motorbike around the track,just not when anyone else in out on the track at the same time.Not sure anyone under the age of 16 is allowed to drive a car around just so long as the streets are empty!!! Given the amount of youngsters who ride speedway under the age of 15 i think it would be fairly easy to have a competence test for anyone who wanted to ride.Not quite so easy to do the same for all those 100,000s of kids who might want to drive a car.Not the same at all

Think Shovlar has taken a dislike to Smoli right from the day when he signed for Coventry he called them the Man Utd of speedway........sadly it looks like he might be right

So far i have only seen the final on youtube and a page of the GP website.What strikes me straight away is that only 1 rider in the photos before the final has his GP number on show!!!! This was something the riders wanted and it seems those photos were taken recently and only 1 has gone to the trouble of showing off his number.And on the GP site it is all a bit stilted when they talk about Smolis win and then go on to say something like "Let's see what #84 has to say..."Ok it is early days,but the riders have had enough time to sort this out if they really wanted it introduced.But does yet again show that Smoli whilst maybe not having the talent or the backing of some of the other riders,does go about things in a professional way Crump was a funny commentator.....saying "the inside line wasn't working for Smolinski"....then afterwards just laughing like a kid.......The other bloke sounded quite good though.typical Aussie!!!

The reports during the week might have been telling.That the crews of other riders were acting unprofessionally like drunken louts at the airport and on the plane.The two that were said be be professional and keeping their distance were the Smolinski + Pedersen teams Well done Smoli

No your counter-argument was shown to be nonsense.Your argument was that the British + Aussie system was the same.my argument was the british system didn't seem to be working but the different systems of other countries did......get it Give you credit for admitting you were wrong.But then your argument falls apart on that fact

That is only in team events.He can on a German licence ride in individual events like the world U21s or later GPs.Laguta rode on a Latvian licence in the Gps as he had problems with the Russian federation and was trying to change citizenship.Just hope he doesn't turn his back on GB Not surprised.Best leave it at that

It is a matter of opinion.There are no hard and fast rules or we would have the same rules year in year out.The opinion changes often and so do most rules. As for the nonsense in the middle bit of your post........the Star article actually states that the Aussie Rule is DIFFERENT TO THE BSPA RULE!!!!! So the Aussies have a different opinion on how old you can be and the germans have another opinion. On the last bit of your post i do quite agree and think it the best route to take it easy rather than go straight into the EL,but i am not making that decision.Those that have will have to live with it if it turns out to be the wrong one

You don't often see those words associated with speedway seeing as they change them or ignore them at the drop of a hat.All a matter of opinion.You have yours and it seems the Lamberts have a differing one.Someone has to convince them that theirs is wrong it seems If we had a youth system that had produced much talent we could say this works,but we don't.We have a world champ that is the product of the Aussie youth system and was a talented rider before he came to our shores.That is about the sum of our international talent.How many other riders do we have that have qualified for the Gps through riding ability?Guess at the moment the Germans have more

That is one of the things at the heart of this problem.Speedway so often has exceptions due to special circumstances.If i remember right this is what the lambert family thought could have happened but was blocked by someone........

A driving licence and breaking the law is a bit different.Even at the age the BSPA say Robert can race a 500cc he can't get a licence to ride a 500cc on the roads can he? I guess they thought speedway rules are so often bent and ignored they had a good case for them as well.Looking at the videos or Robert beating Smolinski a couple of years back and a few others including Zabik it does seem he was ready and able to handle a 500 As for being picked on and victimised,well some on here seem to be calling for such treatment.It is not something that is going to help the situation.

Now you are just going off on one.Obviously someone who has been stealing anything is breaking the law of the land and should be punished

Of course there is.Most kids are not ready to do things at a certain age and a special few are.No matter what we are talking about.Ales Dryml snr who was a decent rider himself obviously thought his kids were ready and it seems he was probably right.There is also a very talented young rider from Russia who has been riding in germany the past couple of years as his parents obviously feel he needs the challenge and is ready..... What is ridiculous is to say all youngsters mature or are ready at the same age

Slightly strange comments about the wildcard imo.Seems Timo Lahti feels hard done by not getting the decison "because of commercial reasons" Well as a speedway rider surely he should realise these things are run commercially.Without looking at the commercial side and trying to get that right there wouldn't be a GP in Finland or anywhere else unless you have money to burn like Mr Buckley has/had.On the other hand i wonder if he honestly thinks he is as good a rider as Joonas?For me Kylmäkorpi is an easy choice.The best rider and also happens to be a current FIM track world champion.Makes for better marketing in the press etc.Speedway riders are sometimes in a world of their own and have people around that will tell them they are right........

To me the Star has set him up for a fall here with their criticism.I wonder if they have done one or two pieces criticizing Horton or Ford etc recently?Did the Star do a big article taking Darcy Ward to task or one highlighting Lindbäcks alcohol problems a few years back?Things far worse than what a youngster has to say to someone looking for a story.I do also think he shouldn't come out with some of the things he seems to have said,but.........more often than not youngsters are treated on ability in many things especially at school.You'll get the more intelligent children pushed on.You will hear of youngsters taking exams a year or two before other kids of their age.You will also find some talented youngsters in the Olypics competing against people far older. It is ok to point out Dilger and Busch as Germans who have started out on a 500cc at 14 and not achieved much,but on the other hand both Dryml brothers also came to Germany to get round rules in their country and one or two here will tell you just how good one of the brothers was before an unfortunate accident.Two sides to every story and it is not one size fits all.Some youngsters are just far better at an early age.His parents thought it more suitable to his ability to be riding against better riders than he would have done in the British youth championships.I'd guess Camo Heeps and Brady Kurtz's parents thought it an advantage for their children to ride a season on 500's in Denmark before they could do a season in GB I have met the family and talked to them and must say i found them very pleasant without any big heads at all,but they did feel a sense of grievance towards the British authorities and funnily enough were a bit upset at the time by an article in the Star about Robert and that was well over a year ago.So it seems nothing has been done to build bridges. Quite a shame to see so many adults on here taking exception to something someone so young has said and seemingly out to 'teach him a lesson'.I'd say the sport has bigger problems than this

Think the rule is a British passport holder gets a lower average and can ride in the NL.Don't know of a rule that say's if you don't toe the line then you won't be allowed the privileges your nationality allows.

Don't see how you can compare Tai with Michael Lee!!! At the stage Lee won his title,which is the stage Tai is at,Lee hadn't tipped his career down a drain......