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Maybe that is it.I feel sure the SS article stated they held the demonstration in December 1927.Think this was dismissed.

To be honest it is all foolish working against each other.Typical of speedway.We once had Teterow and Güstrow doing the same.Just 30km or so apart but running meetings on the same night.I remember leaving Teterow early one meeting and on my way home came past Güstrow and their meeting was still running.Thought of stopping, and popping in,but only for a few seconds then rode on The trouble is even in Poland their muscles are getting weaker as we have seen this winter.Poland is also a country in something of a crisis and TVP are also a media company in a crisis.A number of top journalists have left in the past few days in protest at political interference.....Speedway isn't strong enough to have one league fighting against another.That does though largely mean the UK reducing the number of nights/days they want to run meetings As I said on the Champions league thread a new promotion company coming into the sport could well end up with even more in fighting,although it seems they want to keep the CL as a one off meeting at the moment,so any possible conflicts are at a minimum

I was just going to edit my post again to say I am not a fan of either Greg or Tai.More a Nicki and Emil fan and I would love it to be Emil,but it is just my gut feeling over the past few years that Tai is the man

I would say I don't agree with the last one Imo Tai is the dominant rider of the last period Tai in the GPs has 163-121-151pts=435pts Greg has 147-140-129pts=416 So even though it is my gut feeling,the stats back it up at the highest level.In the leagues it might be slightly different

I thought one of the Australian historians mentioned there was no record of them coming over on a boat in 1927 and that they travelled with the group in 1928.Might be mistaken,but I was quite disappointed at the time that this incident seemingly never happened.Sure maybe the same person mentioned that McKay wasn't really a 'proper' speedway rider all in the same discussion.Is my memory that bad? It did seem absolutely reasonable to send a couple of riders on in front to get the public interested in the coming attraction of motorcycle dirt track racing.....

Thought I was one of the famous 17 John? At the moment I gave an example and wanted to hear from others and leave things open.If you have an opinion John I would love to hear it,otherwise I didn't really want the thread littered with waffle......

Was thinking due to the recent debate about false information on the net and even in speedway mags and books,who are the good guys who research and write great articles and who are the journalists who just lazily pass on wrong info to a new generation? I know Cyril May was mentioned just a couple of days ago and I do agree that I read his historical articles with interest.But I do recall mentioning on here an incident he wrote about when supposedly Billy Galloway and Keith McKay came to London and rode some demonstration laps for the press at Stamford Bridge(?)in 1927.This was a bit of pre-publicity before the arrival of the rest of the speedway pioneers from Australia.Now it seems subsequent posters debunked this if I remember rightly.Even if this was a mistake that doesn't make Cyril a bad historian or were his articles full of similar mistakes? And wasn't there an author associated with West Ham who had quite a bad reputation? So who are the good and bad guys

Ha ha,comedy gold as ever.Another self important post.Who gives a toss how many people you have on an imaginary ignore list?

Yes,i know what you mean Brum.I know what you mean......

http://www.speedway.org/eisspeedwaygp/2016/races/index.html

A mild -7 here.Snowing for a couple of days now and by the photos of a friend in Stockholm today,we have more than they do.Took a train 20 hours to go 38km on sunday because of the cold!!!! Workmates brakes were frozen as well.......maybe mine are too but I don't have to use the car for a few days and it is due to get warmer again Surprised Conkers hasn't put the line-up for Ylitornio up.I am far too lazy

I am slowly being won over by the "he was there" camp now.Micks post is a clincher.Where were you a couple of weeks back Mick?You could have saved a lot of research and a number of stupid posts by one ex journo

I am thinking in terms of another track that looks like it could be used day in day out for training.Doesn't look like the track is surrounded by any stands and if there is terracing well it is more a grass bank I guess.So fairly low key speedway meetings and all part of a motorsport complex.If they are more interested in motorbikes than cars,then all the better.Seem to be some positives in there if it actually gets built.The speedway track that is

I think sometimes,like the Brian Crutcher episode,riders memeories are faulty,especially in Egons case maybe when he rode in 1,000s.In fact it seems he won nearly 2,000 trophies and is prone to a bit of exageration as well.....

Well according to the man himself he thinks he wasn't there as he got a sicknote,so it is his word against John Hyams....... It's like wikipedia,speedway researcher all over again

Looks like my hunch was right

Seems the article and in particular photo no.16 have caused some controversy on the net. States Egon led Germany to a test match win over New Zealand in a run-off with Ivan Mauger.People have looked at results and found nothing to indicate such a meeting took place.......another bit of mis-information on the net?grrrrr Wonder when, if this event exists,it took place? Guess the info comes from Egon himself.So was he mistaken with either the year or the meeting wasn't a test and a best pairs meeting,which seems quite possible?Around that time Brokstedt did host international best pairs meetings.In 1979 New Zealand(Mauger +Ross) drew 23-23 with german pair,Maier + Hack,but Egon and his partner Christoph Betzl finished 5 points behind them,so couldn't have been in a run-off.In 1980 there was also a best pairs meeting involving New Zealand(Mauger + Ross again) and Germany(Egon + Maier),but I have no details if this is the meeting or if there were pairs meetings in 1977 or 1978....

Some things you never forget.Just like the old "have you ever met a speedway rider in the supermarket?" thread.Not one of yours,that one though

Sounds good.Things all still up in the air by the sounds of it.People asking about drag racing and trials and the guy is sort of saying I will see what I can do....also looking at the planning application from May it doesn't seem the speedway track is included,but it is on the FB site.So I guess the speedway is a late addition.And hard to see if there are any building at all around the track,so maybe it is just a training track?Would still be great in such a project as presumably the track could be used every or most days of the week.....

Tony Rose was the one I was doubtful about,but thought I had heard f him before,so he must have come over at one time.Tremelling is a name you don't forget Then again I might have been confused with this Tony Rose???? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Folk-Article-Tony-Rose-speedway/dp/B012D720ZK

It was sorted on the other thread.All you done was try and confuse things......presumably so you could act the hero and solve the problem a while after it had already been solved.And like you, I look forward to the next Bobbath classic after his muslim + homosexual speedway rider threads......

I seem to remember all of the 1987 line-up as riding in the UK apart from the 2 no.17s.Wonder if we can say the same about this years line up in a few years?

Seems Andrew "Bill" Barrett was recently in Europe at an FIM training school for ice speedway riders!!!! Looking a bit above his fighting weight back in the 80s.Our finnish friend f-s-p did dig up a bit about him and found

Bottom line is he tried and failed.You can try to pass the buck to someone else,just like when anything goes wrong with a BSI meeting.In the end he was the one who believed the wrong people or was out of his depth.

No John that isn't true is it? Your stupid "Was I there? - John Hyam aka gustix." Wasn't in any way trying to help solve what was in any case an already solved problem.Just your usual cxxp that we are used to when other people try to discuss speedway history.Seems you somehow feel all history threads/discussions should involve you and when they are not started by you,you feel the need to bring them down to your level.All but the newcomers know you by now