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Seems the article and in particular photo no.16 have caused some controversy on the net. States Egon led Germany to a test match win over New Zealand in a run-off with Ivan Mauger.People have looked at results and found nothing to indicate such a meeting took place.......another bit of mis-information on the net?grrrrr Wonder when, if this event exists,it took place? Guess the info comes from Egon himself.So was he mistaken with either the year or the meeting wasn't a test and a best pairs meeting,which seems quite possible?Around that time Brokstedt did host international best pairs meetings.In 1979 New Zealand(Mauger +Ross) drew 23-23 with german pair,Maier + Hack,but Egon and his partner Christoph Betzl finished 5 points behind them,so couldn't have been in a run-off.In 1980 there was also a best pairs meeting involving New Zealand(Mauger + Ross again) and Germany(Egon + Maier),but I have no details if this is the meeting or if there were pairs meetings in 1977 or 1978....

Some things you never forget.Just like the old "have you ever met a speedway rider in the supermarket?" thread.Not one of yours,that one though

Sounds good.Things all still up in the air by the sounds of it.People asking about drag racing and trials and the guy is sort of saying I will see what I can do....also looking at the planning application from May it doesn't seem the speedway track is included,but it is on the FB site.So I guess the speedway is a late addition.And hard to see if there are any building at all around the track,so maybe it is just a training track?Would still be great in such a project as presumably the track could be used every or most days of the week.....

Tony Rose was the one I was doubtful about,but thought I had heard f him before,so he must have come over at one time.Tremelling is a name you don't forget Then again I might have been confused with this Tony Rose???? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Folk-Article-Tony-Rose-speedway/dp/B012D720ZK

It was sorted on the other thread.All you done was try and confuse things......presumably so you could act the hero and solve the problem a while after it had already been solved.And like you, I look forward to the next Bobbath classic after his muslim + homosexual speedway rider threads......

I seem to remember all of the 1987 line-up as riding in the UK apart from the 2 no.17s.Wonder if we can say the same about this years line up in a few years?

Seems Andrew "Bill" Barrett was recently in Europe at an FIM training school for ice speedway riders!!!! Looking a bit above his fighting weight back in the 80s.Our finnish friend f-s-p did dig up a bit about him and found

Bottom line is he tried and failed.You can try to pass the buck to someone else,just like when anything goes wrong with a BSI meeting.In the end he was the one who believed the wrong people or was out of his depth.

No John that isn't true is it? Your stupid "Was I there? - John Hyam aka gustix." Wasn't in any way trying to help solve what was in any case an already solved problem.Just your usual cxxp that we are used to when other people try to discuss speedway history.Seems you somehow feel all history threads/discussions should involve you and when they are not started by you,you feel the need to bring them down to your level.All but the newcomers know you by now

Not sure.Hope to make one day at least.But it might end up as one day at Assen or it might end up as none.Think some friends are coming over from Ireland around then,so it might be a day or two in the pubs of Hamburg

Strange logic from a strange person.You make yourself look like a fool to try and get back at people who say your posts are idiotic

I'd agree that Spain might be a good 'new' venture,although we will have the usual suspects maybe telling us that Spain has been tried and failed a number of times.Just like the last venture a few years back,Forget the guys name(ex Arena Essex rider,i think) who had all his gear pinched and was robbed at gun point.... The trouble though with this is we have a seemingly unwanted meeting that has to be run by a new promoter to the sport.After BSI we had Onesport and all the internal problems a new company brought.Now we are bringing in another new company.It is getting to be a bit like boxing with different bodies all wanting their own titles..... Russell Payne was the guy,i seem to remember now I wouldn't be sure that FIM Europe can only promote meetings in Europe(and I thought Armando was behind this,so meaning FIM themselves) .We have had controversial talk here that Hamburg might have a Bundesliga match in Asia.......the local fans(season ticket holders etc)not being happy that Hamburg v Dortmund or Bayern might be played out in another continent,although Hamburg are saying it would be a relatively unimportant game like Augsburg......hmmmm

Think you mean Shadrinsk mate

Obviously in your world that is the criteria as to whether you accept Crutcher was there or Hoskins founded the sport of speedway.Most other people like hard evidence.Not sure what you are trying to prove here.It is already clear to most you are a bit of a prat.......

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They are just websites and as we know websites can get things wrong.I mean they even upset Bobbath because they get things wrong.But this guy was there as an eye witness and back in those days was quite well respected,though he has turned into a bit of a fool nowadays,but that shouldn't distract from his piece written at the time. yet again for those who are hard of understanding World Final Gossip by John Hyam (!!) "Bearded Brian Crutcher, although only first reserve and not called upon to race, took a very keen interest in the racing. When Barry Briggs headed Ove Fundin in the run-off for the title, Brian was amongst the first to congratulate the New Zealander." It couldn't be that even way back then he was also often writing rubbish could it?

Maybe you,through your connections can get Brian to look at the video to see if he recognises himself or it jogs his memory?Then again he might be as confused as one ex speedway journalist as to whether he was there or not

Talk about drama queen Matt Ford went on about it for years and then when it came about and his team had actually qualified for the thing,he didn't want to know.That is what the promoter thought about the comp. It is just the same with the biggest sport in the world.You just can't make up competitions and be assured of crowds and tv interest.As I said the world club championship went ahead again in about the only country that wants to host it,with very little interest from around the world.The final didn't even get as much interest here as a normal Bundesliga game.Didn't even get as much interest here as a 2.Bundesliga game....... It is an interesting meeting,if the line-ups are good.But that is all it is.It isn't going to start any big interest for the sport in a 'new' country and like our Finnish expert say's it is hardly going to be a long term deal.We have had the sport in Middle Eastern countries before.Let's hope we can actually see the meeting,it is good and the riders make money out of it.But important,it isn't

Nail on the head In other news did you notice all the hullaballoo about the world club football championship?No,neither did I.Was it actually live on tv in Europe?and that is football........

Well I think video evidence and the following years programme seem fairly good evidence even if we ignore the drunken ramblings of someone who most of the time doesn't know his assterix from his elbowlox

Well this is the piece from arnieg on the other thread that you did post on a few times John mate Does seem quite conclusive,but only you or old don or one of the others can actually say whether you were there or just made it up

This is your post after all the evidence was presented,so I am a bit surprised at this latest development But you can watch the video (again)....I guess you did watch it the first time? http://www.aparchive.com/metadata/youtube/58b9d0459d4646598a832bcafc0b4c96 I do seem to count 18 riders,so that is the 16 plus 2 reserves.although it is all a bit too fast for me to see if Crutcher or Westerberg are there

I think you should look on the other thread where it was discussed and I think the conclusion was that Westerberg wasn't there.This thread seems to have gone back to the beginning and confused things again,but there seemed to be video evidence of the parade that showed only 1 Norwegian rider.Aage Hansen would be the obvious guess,unless someone can look and say they can definitely see Westerberg for some reason wearing a British race jacket.......this video 'evidence' alongside a report from John Hyam at the time that stated Crutcher was there seem to be fairly conclusive.Unless Hyam was mistaken and for some reason Westerberg is on the parade wearing a GB jacket....

I have mentioned it before,but just round the corner from me is a dual velodrome/ice hockey-ice skating rink,all under one roof(well tent) http://www.radsport-hh.de/cms/index.php?radrennbahn https://www.eisbahn-stellingen.de/ The place gets used most days of the week winter + summer,although the times for the public to use it for ice skating are I find a bit restricted.Then again we do have a relatively new indoor arena that is also open and just a mile or two away.....

Not sure about the terracing,but there is a danger of getting attacked by a dog or two,so I have heard