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Ignoring old dopey bollix(and no,i am not going to clarify who I mean although there are more than 1 poster who fits the bill)I think if free or 50 quid passes are going to be handed out then riders who have done 10 or 15 meeting in their career just don't really qualify imo.They have contributed about as much as a fan who has payed to get in for a season and they get no life time bonus.Think it is time to stop all this silly talk and look who has really contributed to the sport and give them passes.Riders who have done 10 seasons or someone like 'gemini' who has followed the sport for decades(by actually attending and paying to get in)

Also not a great fan.2nd in the world in 1978.Could he have achieved that in a GP series?I don't think so

Agreed.I know you saw Martin Ashby more than me Sid,but he was one of my favourite opposition riders.In fact he rode quite a bit for the Dons,so was almost one of our own.Never as good as the fantastic Peter Collins,but one of those riders the sport need

People get into debt all the time and in all sorts of jobs.They don't get that sort of life time bonus or respect.Seems a very strange mentality.I wonder if fans could expect a life time pass if they also got into debt partly because of funding their speedway trips?Or if fans who attended 20 or 30 years of watching the sport could get a free pass as a thanks for their contribution,which is a lot more than someone who rode a handful of meetings over a 3 or 4 year period I was just a few weeks ago in one of the old coal mining areas of Germany and was shown the huses where they used to/still live and was told that ex-coal miners receive a lifetime supply of coal.But I imagine that is miners who had many years working the mines and not just anyone who ever worked a few months or couple of years

No,i don't believe the riders do it for the fans.They do it for themselves,the thrill,the glory and the money.You got out of the sport what you put in,so why do you now expect some extra life time bonus?

It seems all these years we the fans have been conned.They ain't doing it for our entertainment.They are doing it for a free pass!!!!!

Bit of a cock up,that post,so I won't quote it.Trouble is with a forum like this,is that just a list of names that someone saw isn't very helpful or interesting.I guess it is something you don't understand,so I thought I would try and make it clear.People are discussing how good or what qualities a rider had and every time someone is mentioned and another poster pops in with "I saw him ride" doesn't bring us very far I enjoy reading about all these old greats and we have had some interesting stories and statistics,but they seem to come from people who never even saw them ride.And all someone who saw them ride can contribute is "I saw them ride"

Maybe get criticized for pointing this out,but these threads are generally about more than naming a list of riders you have seen.Do you have specific memories of these riders or just looking back through old programmes and picking out names?Doesn't help much though,as I am not sure this is a thread abour riders you saw

I thought a few years back he was in the less meetings camp and stated he lost money every time he opened the gates?Or was that someone else?

Doesn't seem much point in speedway.If a team wants to move up they can and if a team wants to move down they can.We have had a number of examples recently.The trouble with having it in the rules is in forcing a team up that doesn't want to move up or forcing a team down that is financially ok in the top league,but might get into trouble in the lower. Even in German football teams lower down decline to move up because of the costs.Just had the case recently that in my regional league it ended up being the team who finished in 6th place that went into the play-offs as all the teams above them declined......

I remember being at the Gelsenkirchen GP(the one that was raced) and a german journalist asked me what Freddie Williams looked like,if I recognised him,and I had to say I had no idea as I had only seen photos of him from the 50s and 60s and Freddie was far better known than Rob Homer

Don't forget his payment up front from BSI,as I assume this top Dane paying that much out for a season is actually in the GP series And it does seems as if they are assuming he is starting from scratch,buying everything brand new and not selling anything off from the previous season?

No point in trying to play one-upmanship because I understood who OveFundinFan was replying to and you obviously didn't.I have no doubt norbold Is cleverer than me though

Sorry mate,you didn't make it clear enough what you meant.Guess with your modus operandi(Latin,plural:modi operandi) anyone could get confused

Blimey,how many aliases has this guy got?

Yes,but unlike what the original poster said,that isn't before he makes a profit...........

Good stuff.Group of Finns go Leningrad?Never seen a red,green,white or whatever helmet colour before Have to ask f-s-p if he knows who the riders are or any of the others

One or 2 football players in a similar position to Rune Holta or Tai Woffinden in France.Note the England goal scorer was born in England but grew up and learnt his trade in Portugal.The Russian goalkeeper Guilherme Marinato was born and grew up in Brazil and Roman Neustädter was born in USSR(Ukraine) but grew up and played for Germany and only got his Russian pass a couple of weeks ago just in time to make his debut on 1st of june

The Danes have gone back to a one night final after years of having 2 rounds,because there just isn't the space in the season to get the riders together for more than the one meeting

Have to say the world feed was a bit flat this time without the commentary.Strange how that can affect my viewing as I thought it an average GP But no way would I want to swap watching the best riders in the world up against each other for some Anglo-Nordic Final where 12 of the 16 riders qualify for the next round.......

So was I and it was one of the frustrations of being a Dons fan seeing Todd move on.We didn't really have too many great 'finds' over the years and it was disappointing to see both Todd and Kelvin move on after such a short period of time.But being a Millwall supporter I was used to that sort of thing happening

I guess he stayed in Denmark after the U21 meeting at Holsted.Could well have come down with something and might not be 100% fit then

Most people on here are miserable old buggers(me included) and the product isn't aimed at us,so we can't see the point of it But,the company is pretty successful,seems to know how to market its drink and pumps money into our sport.I am not going to buy the stuff,just like I don't generally pick up a bar of chocolate r anything that is put next to the tills at the supermarket.But enough people must do to make it worthwhile.It is business and Hancock is in the sport to make money,not to entertain us as he obviously doesn't when he pokes that can in the frame.Sure there are a number of riders who would like to have his contract and so he tries to do his best for himself and the company Most riders have little of importance or interest to say when interviewed,and it is quite easy to turn away from the screen for a minute and go and do something lmore exciting instead

Is Fricke sick or injured?Just that I saw something on FB that he was in hospital in Denmark last week.Maybe got the wrong end of the stick though

They never have the balls to name anyone.Just like Mads came out and accused riders of cheating without naming anyone.If they have proof why not do something about it........