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Unfortunately we look at the original footage of the first meeting at High Beech and it is nothing like the race between Emil and Darcy.It is in fact very tame.But i do agree it would be wonderful to see some of those old meetings to really judge. This is the 1933 test England v Australia and not very exciting apart from one or two incidents.I would put todays speedway in front of this tbh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zykyrxhJaL4 Hard of course to say if this was as good as it gets,an average or a poor meeting for the time.If the track was too deep.Guess a report from the meeting would be good,but looking at the scores a number of riders weren't able to complete the meeting.The spectacular Farndon only managed 3 rides for 1 pt.Claude Rye was out after a fall in his first ride as was Max Gross kreutz of Australia and a few others had falls like Dicky Case,Vic Huxley,Bluey Wilkinson and Wal Phillips http://www.internationalspeedway.co.uk/engvaus1a.htm

Trouble is a photo is just a split second.We don't really know if that race was agreat or just a split second near each other and that was it.But we can look at modern video and see that speedway today can hold itself against any period of the past. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3wsSo5Ei2g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nXDDK8POS4 At many stages of these two races we could have a photo that looks more spectacular than the old one as the riders are far closer

You mean Real speedway thrills like this duel between Richardson and Kennett.Legtrailing a bit as well.Labelled as one of the best speedway races ever.Not quite sure if it is right up there though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyukusgs-CI

Yes,Silver really was a modern spectacular rider,hanging on to his bike around Rye House or Plough Lane.He was one of my 80s favourites Probably better clips out there,but this does show his style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geChQHLaEOw

I was wondering Steve.Have to admit that i am not sure i ever saw Colquhoun and even Greer doesn't stick out for me.Guess i might have seen him riiding for Oxford or White City?Think he was linked to the promotion.Can't even recall Bisson,though i guess i did see him when Poole were the Wildcats.Even Kelly Moran burst on the scene just as i was taking a break for studies from the sport and only went to the NNL Championships,although i did go to an England v USA test in the early 80s.Then when i came back Wimbledon were quickly down in the second division etc.So i think i only ever saw him half a dozen times

Not really.Look at the photo of Hougaard and Moran and see where their legs are compared to the other riders next to them.Totally constrasting styles

Guess looking back there was hardly anyone with quite as spectacular a style as Kelly Moran,which was almost a legtrailer,but very much like the Dudek style,just with his front leg tucked in instead of sticking out

Tbh i think the style is almost the same with your old grainy photo of Charlie Challis and mine of Hougaard.The only differences are the quality of the phoot and the place where the photographer was standing As for the other photo,i think i explained perfectly clearly why i posted it and if you actually read the text accompanying the photo at no time did i ever call it legtrailing.So no real criticism of you,as i am used to your wacky posts not understaning (possibly on purpose) a lot of posts

Not sure i even saw Colquhoun,but think i must have seen Bisson.Was he at Poole in the lower league? Ok,looked it up http://wwosbackup.proboards.com/thread/371/marcus-bisson But they were few and far between and then something must have happened,either to the bikes or was it just a style that came into fashion?Rather like the spectacular foot/leg right out in front that also cropped up about 10 years ago and was copied all over the place and seemed to be dropped just as quickly.Dudek and Michelsen were two that used it that spring to mind

But i must say i don't really recall anyone with a legtrailing style in the 70s or 80s etc,but now you do see a few Half time,not worth panicking just yet.Or in your case celebrating

I was thinking the modern bike was conducive to a legtrailing style,that is why after decades of foot forward,we saw a revival of legtrailing around the turn of the century?

One of the modern day legtrailing stylists,Patrick Hougaard of Denmark

Great site.Thanks for the link

You could always try the search facility.I did and came up trumps with Vandenberg within a minute and i am sure there are more stories to find on this very interesting forum http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=46379&hl=vandenberg Cyril Francis also has his ver own thread.Maybe the others do as well? http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=47212&hl=%2Bcyril+%2Bfrancis

Not the first time we have heard of Oliver on this forum. You might find this interesting http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=40360&hl=%2Boliver+%2Bhart

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-39141355

Very strange.

Is there a scenario in the rules where you could get 1 pt,but not win the meeting because you aren't officially in the meeting,so the rider on 0pts wins?Think there have been meetings where a riders points aren't counted?Such as tomorrows ice speedway German Final,when i think none of the non German riders can possibly win the title,it would go to the top scoring german,They normally i think state that the "foreign" riders aren't officially in the meeting or some such.

What i said.No idea why we have to go to half a point

In theory i guess so

If we go this route is it not possible for the rider who won the heat to subsequently be disqualified from the meeting for some offence,so making the rider on 2 pts the winner?Or the rider on 2pts also kicked out of the meeting and the rider on 1 pt the winner?

There was a day long ago when i think 20,000 were left outside the stadium on a speedway night as the stadium was full.Now i doubt if the meeting on the 5th March 2017 will even have half of that 20,000 inside the stadium?

I take it then that you don't respect Jack Parker?I mean the way he behaved in threatening to kill a young up and coming rider doesn't deserve respect.Maybe he was a terribly frustrated rider having never ever won a world championship.Something that both Ronnie Moore and Tai Woffinden have done twice It seems old Jack wanted to try and to hold on to a position at the top by threats and dirty riding.Not a thing Ronnie or Tai seem to feel the need to do.Quite the opposite.Ronnie was known for helping riders and now Tai seems to want to help his team mates.That to me deserves respect

There is another old saying going back to the old days at the Frying Pan,i think....."that gustix is a ......."

I did that John,because your "help" was of no use at all.That is why i found out it was actually about 15 miles from Newport,which is probably more help in locating the place This is after all a speedway forum,not a cheese forum.Although some of your posts are rather cheesy