mikebv

No wonder nobody goes then eh? The best price for a family of four for one months worth of speedway is £168 out of the family's monthly disposable income.. Add on programmes, and the inevitable food and drink and around 200 quid a month would be the outlay... To watch 60 minutes of speedway.... A scary position the sport is now in if that is the 'best prices' being charged to pay its costs...

especially when there is genuine demarcation between the riders levels.... all year nielsen has had the same amount of rides as worrall for us.... tier one and tier two would appear to be a 'clue' as to their respective abilities you would have thought??? therefore why not use the more capable person to do the same job???

Often Speedway tracks try and attract 'kids' by offering them free entry when accompanied by a full paying adult, which is a fair idea, however.. When 'the kid' gets to 12 at BV then he has to pay £6.50 (or more likely his parent will)... The irony of this (and its flaw) is that around 12 years of age kids who have attended regularly now start to get involved more with the nuances of sport, eg how averages effect team building, how rules are made and why. (Good luck with that by the way), filling programmes in etc They also around 12 start to seek other ways of spending time entertaining themselves ('hanging out' is my lads favourite occupation)! This invariably involves 'mates' of both genders too as hormones kick in.. Speedway would be far better suited letting everyone at school age in for nothing at all as maybe some would then stay with the sport at 18... If you gave out 500 tickets to the local comprehensive I would imagine a 'fair few' would attend just to 'hang out'. For those tracks in particular that get all the food and drink income it must surely be a winner as a couple of hundred burger and coke buyers cannot be a bad thing. And the more that attend the less the crowd will resemble a 'darby and joan' coach outing which your average teen wouldnt be seen dead at... Let's face it, kids of 12 - 18 dont attend now so letting them in for nothing wont decimate the clubs finances, and it may just mean some return in revenue when they reach adulthood after gaining an understanding and appreciation for the sport?

Can you have guests from the teams not qualified?... What am I saying, course not, that would be ridiculous wouldn't it? Yet perfectly ok and acceptable in the PL every week?!

Probably most of them!!!!

It maybe could if you charge the crowd around £30.00...... The problem is the vast majority of those who no longer go only feel the sport is worth about a tenner... My team 'allegedly' pay their Number One 3k a meeting. 'If true' (and around £200 a point does appear to be the going rate for a No1 if you read comments from those 'in the know') then that means that to pay him for a home and an away meeting they need to take £7200 (inc vat) to pay him the 6k..... That is over 411 full paying adults at £17.50 per meeting just to pay his salary... Utterly ridiculous when you consider that the No1 rider from any team wouldn't lose 411 off the gate if he didn't ride, nor add 411 extra to it when he does... As no one seems to know exactly the attendances at tracks due to the 'omerta' of the promoters I can only guess at the attendance at my track, however I would suggest 411 paying punters is (at least) over 50% of the total who attend.. Doesn't leave much left over to pay the other six riders for two meetings a week does it?? Barmy......

and sadly no drive, desire or ability it would appear to reduce the costs which will allow the £10 speedway threshold which so many seem to have set in their minds as 'the value for money' level... everyone can see, especially the promoters I am sure, that the sport cannot carry on charging what it does and expect to survive never mind prosper... radical decisions are needed, with riders affordability being the biggest and most fundamental issue to be fixed... keep spending what you haven't got coming in and there really is only one inevitable outcome.. even the Finance Minister of Greece would't contemplate using British Speedway's economic plan...

Reduced admission must always be a dilemma for the promoters who do it.... The simple reason is that the inevitable increase in crowd merely demonstrates to them the fact that the usual admission costs are far too high whilst at the same time also clearly demonstrates that at 'the right price' a big crowd will still attend the sport.... The dilemma therefore is how to deliver the outgoings for the sport which facilitates enough income from such admission fees every week.... Easy to say, much more difficult to do, however the massive prize on offer is clearly there if they can... Just as an aside, do any of the promoters who do this reduced admission ever take email details, mobile numbers, home addresses etc off the crowd to target them with more offers to get them to attend more often??

"A standing ovation for Krcmar"..... From everyone in the standing area!!!! Well done Nige....

I think people just make any nonsense up and they then try and pass it off as fact.... Only last week someone told me that there are two teams who between now and the end of the season are actually planning to run the meeting when they clash without any guest riders at all.....!! He must think I am daft.....

Speedway in this country, in its current guise, simply cannot carry on with its totally inappropriate operational and business plan if it is to survive, never mind prosper. However, noting one or two comments in the past two months or so from various promoters it may mean that maybe, just maybe, the penny has dropped and as a collective they are finally coming to terms with the fact that what they have now is simply unsustainable.. Let's hope eh? One area that I do feel is a massive opportunity is the collective marketing and collective merchandising of the sport. Merchandising in particular is something that could be a money spinner. Why not copy the NFL model in the way that the profit from every shirt/scarf/baseball cap/pen etc etc sold goes into a central pot and is shared by the teams. This would also mean better profit margins through buying in bulk as a 'League/Sport' and by having just one 'make' you can build a clear 'Speedway Brand' which the wider general sporting public will start to understand... For such a minority sport with all teams relying on each other it does amaze me that they all seem to work in 'splendid isolation' rather than working alongside each other for the benefit of all... One idea I have thought of which may be a potential money spinner is an 'unlimited season ticket'. Speedway is quite unique in the way many fans attend to watch 'the sport' rather than having any affiliation to the teams on show. Therefore why not offer, say for £500, a ticket that allows you into any meeting all season (maybe excluding playoffs but you get a discount ticket for those?). . There could be one ticket across both Leagues or if they want to still work in isolation they could run their own Leagues' ticket independently... . Attend 50 EL speedway meetings and each meeting will have cost you just a tenner. Could the 8 EL teams between them get 1000 fans to purchase this £500 ticket? If so that would generate half a million quid for the League .. If both leagues work together could they get 3000 Speedway fans nationally to buy this ticket? If so that would put 1.5 million into the sport... In these days of high fuel costs, maybe this would get a fair percentage of the crowds back as the more Speedway they attend, the better the value for money their outlay has been, and as we all know, the larger the crowd, the better the atmosphere, the better the atmosphere the more likely you and others are likely to return....

From what I remember, it did take much longer for races to start as riders seemed to take it in turns to anticipate the start after one had tried it... If the same happened today could the bikes handle being revved so long? But this being Speedway instead of a lazer they will use a torch from B&Q with some red crepe paper over it held on by a 'lacky band' and the person holding it waving it from side to side making that noise out of Star Wars... Zzzzzzzzzzeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrr, Frrrrrrrrrrzzzzzzzzzzzzz, Zrrrraaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Why would you want to know?? Going to a Speedway Meeting these days takes me back to my wonderful childhood... Every match I attend nowadays, I walk up to the turnstiles feeling just like I did as a seven year old when creeping down the stairs on Christmas Day morning, shaking like a leaf with anticipation as to what surprises will await me!!!... "Will it be four guests? Will it be five? Or 'joy of joys' and 'be still my beating heart', could it really be six or seven!? Will both teams use rider replacement or will it be just one?" Who would want to take this wonderful feeling away from me by ruining everything by listing the riders in advance? Thankfully not the teams' involved themselves... They obviously know how much excitement can be gleaned from not knowing how many various teams will actually be represented on the night under the tenuous guise of riding for the two teams advertised... Given the unbridled excitement that 'select teams' bring, I really can't fathom why more people don't attend Speedway these days......, I really can't....

Correct... Both the 'operating model' and the 'business model' are completely 'donald ducked'..... Both need to broken down, dissected, put pack together again and then relaunched with radical new ideas for collective revenue generation, cost controls, and league formats and regulations that are based around the running of a professional sport with integrity as its mantra.. And all controlled by an independent central organisation that have the power to control the sport from top to bottom with consequences for those who wish to work outside the agreed processes. But who out there has the balls to do it?

Just checked on Wikipedia re 'The White City Rebels'... Happy to report that they closed in 1978 so cannot be held responsible for the 1980's riots in London...

£15.00 quid to get in a PL match to your average Speedway loving Pole over here is bordering on 'insane'' in their eyes.... If you are used to watching two teams full of world class riders for less than half that in your own country, £15.00 to watch no world class riders wont tempt you, believe me... Maybe we should go back to the Green Helmet cover to bring the crowds back???

An unpalatable truth for all the Promoters unfortunately, hence they don't even try and deliver it... The vicious circle of British Speedway Problem:- Riders costs go up so they need more wages? Answer:- Charge the fans more to pay the riders more money... Follow up Problem:- Crowds drop due to the price increase? Answer:- Charge the fans still attending more to pay for the shortfall in revenue..... Follow up Problem:- Crowds drop even more due to the new price increase? Answer:- Charge the fans still attending even more to pay for the even larger shortfall in revenue... Follow up Problem:- The Crowds no longer are turning up to put money into the track? Answer:- Close the track.... Never once do the Promoters ever collectively seem to sort the 'root cause' of the issues out, the only way the sport in this country can continue, never mind prosper is to make massive, radical changes away from the current malaise that allegedly passes as 'a business model'.. Rob in Scunthorpe deserves much better as he has been one of the few Promoters over the past few years who has listened to the fans and tried to deliver what they want from an evening out at the Speedway... As others have said, especially given the great racing you see at Scunthorpe, if he cannot make it work then heaven help so many other tracks out there who do nowhere near as much as he does to 'get a crowd in'.........

BURRRRRRNNNNNNN HIMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!! BURRRRRRNNNNNNN HIMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!! Loved the way he 'cupped' his hand to his ear when he won Heat One..... Cannot for one moment think he gives a 'flying you know what' people think of him.... One thing is for sure, when he does decide to finish, the sport will be poorer for it....

Sadly 'the fluff' includes getting those '4 blokes on bikes without brakes for 4 laps for 3 points' into a 'team framework' which, as is clearly proven week in, week out, cannot be achieved without a huge lack of the integrity required when putting teams out to compete in a professional league... Those who love watching the '4 blokes' race find themselves thinking 'but why do it and what is it all for'? when one of the teams they see has, for example, five riders from other teams riding for them... As Kelvin T said last week, 'it's a great sport when it is done well'... Never have truer words been said... Speedway, in this country, just needs to find a way to do it 'well' consistently around the country...

So you can only presume from this that no one at GSI knows absolutely anyone in any way connected to the Cov promoters, managers and, riders...? They also therefore must have no phone numbers for anyone else in the whole of the sport (including refs) who may have a phone number belonging to anyone in any way connected to Cov...? And you also must conclude, that they cannot have any access to the internet to be able to send an email to anyone within the Cov set up, or indeed not be able to even get a message out via the various social media links that exist..?? And these people have a massive influence on the destiny and success of the sport....? Go figure.....

Thought the racing was very good... Hardly any races 'strung out', 'incident' in lots of races, not quite 'you could throw a blanket over 'em Nige'! in every race but almost all the races had a 'contest' within it to keep you intererested... You dont need overtaking to make a very good speedway race, however last night there were plenty of races that had passing, in particular Woffy's world class ride from last to first against some of the very best riders out there... Add in a good number of races with Brit involvement, the pantomime villian being played to perfection by Pedersen, and how everyone near me laughed our nads off when Jason 'Mad for iiiiiiiiit'! Garrity did exactly as we had all predicted, and all in all, in front of a good crowd, it was a very entertaining way of spending my evening.... Value for money? Definitely. ...

Often wondered why clubs don't sell tickets in blocks of say five meetings at a time at a 'special offer' rate.... £50 for five meetings would I reckon be great value and mean more people take up the offer than maybe currently buy season tickets?, A ticket like that would appeal I would suggest more to the current 'floaters' like me who some nights simply cannot be bothered to go if for example the weather looks dodgy or it is on TV. If I have already paid then I will more than likely attend I would suggest. (and if one of the five matches is a TV one then £10.00 could be charged for anyone who hasnt purchased a 'five match ticket' as those that have wouldnt feel mugged off).... I have been to BV twice this year as 'couldnt be bothered' to attend the other four so they have had just £35.00 off me. If I had paid £50 for the first five meetings I would definitely have attended all five and they would now be £15.00 better off. (and it keeps people in the 'habit' of attending, a habit that is easy to get out of)! £15.00 isnt much, but how many other 'flouting fans' have the same attitude? I would suggest 'quite a few' so there must be plenty of other £15.00's out there? Season tickets surely cannot 'make or break' the season given the low number that seem to purchase them at most tracks? 100 - 200 people at best? And it also stagnates the use of 'special offers' during the season... As many have already said ad nauseam, if you can have average racing in front of a large, vociferous crowd you have atmosphere and an 'event worth attending' (and revisiting)... As will be proven once again this Saturday in Cardiff ...

was it Kelvin who said something along the lines of "what a great sport this is, when it is done well"?.... not wrong is he??? which is why it makes you so frustrated week in and week out, when, at so many venues, it simply isn't even remotely 'done well'.... great entertainment and what a talent young Robert Lambert is going to be, he is already building an impressive 'CV' of winning races against GP opposition, and it cannot be long surely before he does more of it on that very stage....

Looking at the 'crowd' bet you didnt have to queue!!!!

Speedway is unique isnt it? Most 'enterprises' incentivise their employees through setting challenging performance related incremental pay bonuses.... eg you and the team do well, you and the team get greater rewards.... Not BV it would appear.... They obviously have a 'better plan'...