Vincent Blachshadow

Norbert Magosi back in Panthers' colours next year then.

Who's asking?

Yes, over here it is. But as others have said, not so much on the continent where a rider is more often than not excluded for a first bend incident. How often have the non-Brit refs kept all four in for instance. That's one of the reasons the Polish ref is slagged off on here for throwing a rider out in a first bend crash and some of us think it should be all 4 back. Yes, I'm aware the ref is always rig has to make the call and what he says goes but isn't that what a forum is for, to debate things like this?

Would it? I think not. 'First bend bunching' isn't in any rule book. The correct call is 'unsatisfactory start' which Ackroyd decided to call on. The argument is whether or not the first bend after a clean start comes under that heading. Ackroyd thought it did, some think not.

Exactly. Sometimes barging or running into another rider at or near the start culminates in an incident on the first bend which could and should be brought back as an unsatisfactory start. This was not such an incident, the riders got away from the tapes and the starting gate area satisfactorally. The initial incident was on the first bend. As the thread title suggests, Ackroyd stuck with the easy option and called all 4 back.

Thanks for the support, but Mr Rising's post sums up exactly why I stopped buying his publication - I (and anybody else who points out official cock-ups, doesn't agree with the establishment or indeed, doesn't think everything in the sport is hunky-dory) don't matter.

There was a stoppage, it wasn't at the start, 'the cause', by the rules, goes.

It's far better to have a football match between two teams with 11 players a side but when a player breaks rules he goes. Nothing to do with what's better, it's to do with rules. Rules state the cause of a stoppage goes, end of.' An element of doubt' has never stopped a rider's exclusion later in a race (with one notable exception - Steele), so what was the difference here?

Years back, there were 30 yard markers at the side of the track. Put them back and there's your answer.

Quite. The start was fine, the cause of the stoppage was a first bend incident on the first lap. Yes, many (mostly British) referees use the rule to bottle out of making a decision but that doesn't make it right - somebody should have been excluded. Over the years, I've seen far more non-exclusions for unsatisfactory extended starts in GB than anywhere else and it's about time our refs were told to grow some (or whatever the female equivalent is for our three ladies) and make a decision.

Can't say that somebody would have gone even then. Tony Steele, 'The World's Top Referee', saw fit to call all 4 back after an incident well into a heat in a GP.

Holder should have been excluded. We all complain about the Polish ref, Grodski or something like that, for making the wrong call but at least he doesn't bottle it and makes a call. Ackroyd's non-decision is up there with 'The Worlds's Best' ,Tony Steele's non-decision when he bottled excluding a rider after an incident on the second or third lap a few years back and allowed both riders back into the rerun. Shameful.

Nicki. Holder will be World Champion but I don't think it will be this year.

Thanks DW, great as always.

Thank you. Great racecard, as always.

It's very simple really. If other posters ignore his/her posts and not answer them/rise to his/her bait they won't be called 'idiots' and he'll/she'll soon get fed up and stop posting. All this reporting business reminds me of schooldays 'please sir, please sir, he's got his coat on my peg'.

Thanks DW. Excellent as always.

Some 12 or 13 years ago, whilst on the Monmore terraces, someone as knowledgeable about Wolves as you are told me Peter Karlsson would never ride for any team other than Wolves. Some four or five different teams later..........

I'd say he's an 8 pointer now seeing as he's ridden in the last four GPs, won one of them, and is likely to ride in this year's remaining GPs.

With it being a possibility that Woffy could have a season or two at a bigger track team I can see a swap deal involving two of your choices. Puk's ridden for Wolves before and scored well there earlier this year whilst Panthers are a bigger track team.

You do like your Panthers don't you. That's the problem with building a side for Lynn, they have to see if parent teams want to keep their riders. I can't see Rooboy coming your way next year though, definitely not if the new stadium is anywhere near a reality.

Thanks DW. A great card and much appreciated.

Nice one, DW. Good on yer, mate.

I thought these shared events were bid for by those that want to stage the event. Wolves probably make the best bid (every year).

Thanks again, DW. As always, excellent.