Nevs and Ian Martin, i appreciate what you are saying and thanks for those sentiments. If theres one thing i cant stand its drunks behaving like idiots to the point they cant stand, and it only takes one behind you spilling beer all over you to spoil the Cardiff experience. Im not against ' atmosphere ' id love to take in a Polish league match with 20,000 there, and yes more than a little alcohol would be in evidence lol !!! But as someone said early on this thread ' Cardiff is great, its speedways biggest p'ss up. Mmmmmm. Maybe i'll re-think it on your advice though, after all if you havent tried it once ? Cheers [hic ]