Whisperer

I think you've missed their point a little Dick, their irk is with the way it has been done without consultation or reference to the effect on the IOW. Barry has said on more than one occasion if there had been some discussion their may have been room for compromise or negotiation.

Arne Pander in 1968 and R/R for him a fair bit of the time, Danny tried Gotfried Andersson but I believe finished up running Johnny Poyser, Pete Seaton, Mick Bell and Ted Spittles over many meetings.

Which in turn keeps the sponsors on side

Er .. it's not an issue planning is recommended subject to a list of conditions which includes an accoustic barrier, these are conditions for the applicant and of the 5 letters submitted you can bet your bottom dollar that some if not all are the same fo;k who have perpetually complained and opposed planning for Speedway since the outset. Unless the Brummies are in breach of consent I fail to see what needs to be done bearing in mind that the Government are hoping to pass anti Nimby legislation in the future.

The charge is the same as everyone else, you really can be a crock without the r at times.

How they going to get back though?

and your nearest track for local derbies will be Poole!

Allegedly !!!!

A good night by the sound of it

Jon Cook has been sniffing around Oxford for some time now and still hasn't been able to crack it.

Sheffield and Hull too

Sportsmanlike? Sportsmanship? There hasn't been anything Sporting about British Speedway for a very long time. Lying, cheating, devious, dishonest, crooked, bent and every spin on those words that are in Roget's Thesaurus are more apt descriptions than Sportsmanlike !

And Workington too, the whole idea of the play offs was to give clubs a bumper gate and boost the coffers, what chance have Workington or Lakeside got to promote the final, I've agreed with some of Ged's stances in the past but not this one I'm afraid - this selfish behaviour could earn him a seat at the top table if he doesnt sell !

I agree and I'd let them rule on facilities so once the rule book is written the BSPA MC cannot move from it. If everybody knows where they stand they won't keep asking MC for swerves and they'll just get on with it.

Clearly Willie's face doesn't fit anymore. How can the SCB enforce rules when the Promoters and Management Committee completely disregard them? The truth is the Promoters and Team Managers who drew up the rules don't understand them so clubs are getting away with murder and the officials have to try and work with that.

that no bstard would accept a fixture !

Please go back and look over some of the threads linked to those clubs after they lost at home in 2018 then you will understand why they don't want to get hammered at home. Regardless of the points limit many of the current PL clubs know just how to build a side to get the riders they want and Berwick, Redcar and Scunny will be the ones who get shafted by the experts who have been doing it to each other for years.

To be honest 1 vote isn't going to change a lot in General or League Council and you are entitled to join the debates anyway, a former Promoter who has attended 3 AGM's could bring a vote if they became a licensed Co-Promoter. In most cases it's the interpretation of the decisions after the event that causes a lot of the problems and disputes. The only way other members can "take" your assetts is if the club has been annulled and they are liquidated to pay in house debts. If your talking about riders finding other jobs whilst acquisition of their parent is in progress that's different but you can apply to have your assetts protected during this process providing the acquistion is completed by the AGM. Where this has gone wrong before is when a club sale has fallen through in January or February or a new owner changes their mind about the riders they use and leave somebody out of work. Simple solution, get the debts paid and the purchase monies deposited with the BSPA well before the AGM but you can't blame anyone for employing riders who have an uncertain future. Similarly putting out a weak team can be avoided with everyone moving at a sensible pace. The race day farce this year is well documented but there are historical precedents set for priority race day and alternate days as well as the protocol of consultation with those clubs who have priority on your off race night (if you are going to choose any old race day apart from those agreed). If you acquire a club then you acquire that race day unless the club has no continuity or it has moved up/down leagues (then you lose it).

Not a pop at your post at all, the best compromise would have been for clubs to try and accept rearranged dates and not decline because their injured number 1 wouldn't be back or can't visit you then because we are due at xxx the next day and the latter was from a club that had less than 100 miles to travel from one club to the next. How many times have Glasgow, Edinburgh, Berwick, Somerset and Plymouth travelled the length of the country on back to back fixtures. The spirit of I'm all right jack is alive and well in the BSPA!

I take it that's the Rabbi in you? Oooooooo!

Because their outstanding Friday Home fixtures were pulled by the BSPA which created a nightmare getting clubs to agree new fixtures on a Saturday

And Plough Lane was rammed, even Dickie Davis rocked up that night to stop the bar falling over.

The modern system was initiated to replicate the era you refer to and encourage up and coming riders to chance their arm and development in the top league. There was a huge gulf in skill between the middle and top tiers where 10 point riders from the middle tier were struggling to get ones and twos in the top league. Initially those riders had to choose between one league or the other and were given a two season comfort by allowing them to return to the middle tier on their last middle tier average if the top tier didn't work out. The middle tier became more attractive with more meetings and by comparison easier races not withstanding that a few daft rsed Promoters started paying silly money to tempt them back. With insufficient riders doubling up with converted averages came in and eventually doubling down followed. What was a development initiative became a bidding scramble so like many other best intended initiatives it was abused by; average manipulation, cheque book speedway, self interest and sheer avarice.

Whilst I agree with most of your post the effing about with fixtures and the cut off approaching causes all reasonable judgement to be chucked out of the window. At this stage of the season only the clubs with no mathematical chance of the play offs can accommodate a rain off and some may welcome it, Sheffield are in an unprecedented position of an early bath in August which just highlights the fundamental mismanagement of the sport. It's both humiliating and shameful regardless, of whether Promoters are in the inner sanctum or mere members of the BSPA. The current and previous seasons are the most organised fukc ups I've seen in sixty years of supporting the sport.

Is it time to wake up? Are the rest of the world v Warburton's still arguing?