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I agree, two seperate roles. However, he should never have been chosen in the first place, Phil Morris was a far better candidate.

All that is really needed is an effective SCB. They should properly scrutinise the proposed rule book each year, refuse to approve any rules which are open to interpretation or just plain silly and advise what amendments or changes are needed. They should police decisions made by the BSPA and investigate and rule on any decisions which are contrary to the approved rules or not in the best interests of the sport. They should be empowered to take the initiative and not have to rely on people within the sport fist having to report matters to them by way of complaint or an appeal.

That report also said "To ensure that younger households enjoy the same wealth in older age as recently retired households, we need to see a relentless focus on productivity to get wages growing at a healthier rate. So maybe less time at work spent on Speedway issues and you might catch up.

Rory has returned successfully from serious injury before so hopefully, he has the mental strength to do it again.

Non Belle Vue discussion on this thread I can cope with but football is going too far.

I hope Charlie does well,always enjoyed watching him at Kirky Lane and was popular with the fans.

Starman can't believe it. At this very moment he is blowing out the candles and destroying the Holder shrine in his bedroom. The betrayal is too much to bear, his hero a turncoat.

Boxall certainly does have question marks over his reliability but as things stand it looks as if there are still some decent alternatives we could use if the need arises. Let's hope it isn't necessary. As for Stefan, I think many Aces fans wanted him back and were sorry to see him go. He was a popular member of the team who progressed during his time with us and I think will still progress further, given the right help and guidance.

More than pleased with that, Cook,Fricke and both Worralls all likely to improve their averages and Boxall likely to score more than Nielsen. I accept that Boxall is going to have to prove his reliability but other good choices are available if he doesn't stay the course. Let's hope now that those sides that may be struggling to build competitive teams are able to do so. It is not good for the sport for any teams in an 8 team league to be significantly below the standard of the rest.

Yes.

The whole cost is going to be covered by the takings from the Betty's Hotpot Van. Dev, an occasional fan, gave the management the secret recipe.

A top rider who always gave 100% and never knew when he was beaten. The sport wouldn't be struggling if every team now had a couple of riders with Nigel's grit and determination. He was one of those rare riders who was popular with fans throughout the country.

I think the problem with that proposal is that the fans of any team running a side in the top league with riders like Tai, Hancock etc. , are not going to turn out in sufficient numbers to support what they will regard as their second team. No matter how it is dressed up fans will regard the side, who are likely to have the majority of meetings, as an inferior product. Worryingly, history shows that the super stars didn't bring in huge numbers of fans before they started to miss out the UK. If the top stars do not increase crowd levels significantly clubs may find themselves in severe financial difficulties, not only in paying these stars but also, in covering likely losses when running the second team.

According to the press report, as well as ruling out Mondays, Tai was also advocating one home and one away match against each team. On the current league structure that is 7 home matches, far too few as far as I am concerned. Yet another example of riders trying to hold the sport here to ransom and having little regard for those riders who don't race abroad. I say if they don't want to ride here than so be it.I'm sure we'll manage without them so long as we make much more effort to encourage home grown talent.

I hoped for more than waffle. No matter how you try to twist and turn and make comparisons with other sports you cannot get away from the point you ignored. Crowd levels have continued to fall and according to you that makes the play offs unsuccessful and could be evidence that they have had a detrimental effect. Now I wouldn't go that far. The finals have drawn good crowds by today's standards but what we don't know and probably never shall, is whether the total numbers over a full season would be as bad if we still had a proper league system rather than a cup qualifying competition. Also, let me say now I have read all of the posts on this topic and I have made my point. I do not expect you to agree with me and doubt you will be able to resist the urge to reply. However, I see not point in continually rehearsing the same arguments, it will not be a case of not being able to answer whatever points you make but simply that it would be pointless exercise.

If you apply that test then it applies equally to the play offs. Crowd levels have certainly dropped since their introduction and the argument that the sport lost more supporters before the play offs than since their introduction is far too simplistic. There were far more to lose because you start from a much higher base. Also, once you get down to the hard core you are less likely to lose them because most will carry on supporting their team no matter how much they disagree with the rules and politics. We don't know and probably never shall whether the overall crowd levels over a whole season would be as bad as they are now if we had kept the fairer and more credible system of the team finishing top of the league being crowned champions. Everyone can put forward their opinion but that is all it is, an opinion.

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I'm obviously losing my marbles. Once I heard that one of the reserves could move up I just assumed that the the heat formula would change to that used before the draft riders were introduced or, if not, something very similar which would give them a realistic average. It never occurred to me that they would not make any changes and so create a system where a reserve could find himself a heat leader without ever having raced against one. How stupid of me not to realise the merits of such a system.

I agree. Also, as you say the setting up costs are the same whether you do 20 or 40 meetings and you can be sure that both job sharing riders will expect those costs to be covered, thus increasing costs for the clubs.

Without going back to find it I can tell you that all of the releant information has been published. Rest assured that a professionally prepared business plan was prepared and submitted to the City Council, very high profile financial backers are in place and income from the stadium will not just be from speedway meetings but many other activities.

Perhaps I'm not understanding this but why is it a problem if one team is negotiating with a no.1 for the whole season. Surely, we can have a system whereby teams can choose either to job share or not.

It's one of my faults, over estimating the intelligence of some BSF members.

You don't get it do you? I make a couple of jokey posts about the goggle incident, a couple of posters treat it more seriously so I apologise for raising a topic which has been exhausted.Somehow you see that as bait.

Oh dear. Didn't mean to start up gogglegate all over again.

The were no bids so he put them on as belonging to the Belle Vue mascot but felt guilty and withdrew them when the bids reached £100. Boxall has of course ridden for us before but didn't last out the season and doesn't have the best record for reliability but other tier one riders m not chosen by anyone are waiting in the wings.