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Don't be silly. You won't find him ever having claimed to be as good now as Woffy. I don't approve of it but Woffinden got the continued abuse last year because of the disgraceful and abusive way he reacted.

I don't know where you get that from, he is often critical and realistic about his own performances. I thought people meant he isn't like Woffy because he takes pride in riding for Team GB and give his all for his team.

Been involved in two Belle Vue 5-1's?

Tonight may not be a good guide as I suspect the weather will put off many. The problem with the KO Cup is that this year and in the more recent years before it was taken out of the calendar, the BSPA have treated it with a degree of contempt, leaving the final and sometimes the semi finals, to be fitted in at the tail end of the season when it could have been finished much earlier. The same applies to the League Riders Final, which has been discredited by the many late changes, although the Premiership meeting this year was almost as programmed. The BSPA need to ensure that both competitions are shown to be important official competitions and treat them accordingly. It will take time but more fans are then likely to support them.

The 50 point team building limit took account of the average loading for all riders who only had an Elite League average to make it directly comparable to the Premier League averages. Many think that there should still be a smaller loading on riders coming in on old EL averages simply because it is obvious that those averages were gained in a higher quality league. However, hasn't the precedent now been set by Jonasson and Musielak coming in on their old EL average.

Very strange choice of guests for the second leg. I can't see Nicholls or E Riss scoring more than 6-8 points and could be a few less. Lawson doesn't do well at the NSS but he is a good gater and if it's wet he could get a few wins. Wells also doesn't score a lot at the NSS so I don't think he would have done any better. Peter Adams is an excellent team manager and so often gets the best out of riders so maybe he knows something and all of the guests will be outstanding. The forecast is still poor although not quite as bad. Could be heavy rain throughout the day until about 4/5pm, although it is possible that it may miss the NSS. I understand those complaining about the number of guests and r/r but in this instance the BSPA and their rules are not to blame. Injuries happen and it is just very unfortunate that Wolves have so many riders on the injured list.

31 points from the three guests was ok for Wolves. 10 points is doable but not easy. Do we know if it's the same teams tomorrow? I assume it will be. The weather forecast is still dire, let's hope it improves overnight.

Hoping for a good meeting, decent racing, no accidents and a referee that's recently had his/her eyes tested and has the normal number of working brain cells.

I've no idea but that sounds inflated. The often quoted figure was £3k but I have heard those most likely in the know say it wasn't that much.

You've obviously not seen how often the showers and champagne crop up on the Coventry and Poole threads.

I don't think you can judge Nicholls on his performance last night, he is much better on the smaller tracks. As I said, some Wolves fans have commented they have a decent side with the guests and they will have seen them at Monmore more often than you or I. It is a technical track with a significant home advantage and Nicholls and Wells usually go well there, I don't know about Morris but he did well there for Swindon and many Wolves fans wanted him as a guest. I am hoping for an Aces win but we shall see what happens.

I go along with that. Wolves just got a bit carried away and overstepped the mark but have now withdrawn the post so at least have acknowledged their mistake. Hopefully, not quick enough to have made the Aces even more determined.

Maybe I'm being unduly optimistic considering the recent history of the BSPA's attempts to rejuvenate the sport, some might say stupid but I think fixed nights might just solve many of the problems of team identity. Unless of course the BSPA manage to think of something to mess it up!

If you were upset about Belle Vue calling it a grudge match you must have been incandescent with rage reading the Wolves Facebook page this morning. I bet you're still thinking of suitable words of condemnation.

Some realistic Wolves fans were saying yesterday that the guests have given them a decent team for the home leg. Morris, Wells and Nicholls can all do well at Monmore. We are without Fricke, our best rider at Wolves in the play offs and according to Wolves fans, Tungate and Cook are just throttle jockeys, incapable of riding the technical track. Although I guess some of them might have changed their minds by now. Cook, Worrall and Smith were all injured at the weekend so the away leg could be tough. Hopefully, the track tonight will not have been affected by the weather and will be better prepared to allow some decent racing. I'm hoping for an Aces win and it is certainly possible but a small Wolves lead won't be a disaster. Apart from Nicholls I don't know who will be guesting for Wolves at the NSS but I think we can do more than enough there to win overall. At the moment the weather forecast is for heavy rain most of the day on Wednesday, stopping at about 6/7pm. I am sure that, if necessary, a new date can be found before the end of the season.

Wolverhampton Facebook. TONIGHT ◾ KOC Final v Belle Vue WE NEED YOU to be our 7th Wolf! Once again the #wolfpack are underdogs as we are without 4 riders including our top 2 riders due to injury but we will give it everything as we deserve a trophy this season. We thank our guests that will come into the Pack Will Belle Vue choke as they did in the 2016 Final and the semi final this year? Only time will tell.... Be there to find out! Its our last meeting this year, dont miss it! Its a long winter #wolfpack That should give the Aces the motivation to win.

You can interpret the individual post that way in isolation but not if you look at the overall context of his comments and the views previously expressed. It makes no sense to say it was made as a result of reading goading posts if it wasn't meant to be interpreted as placing blame on Bjerre and Tungate.

#426 in the Premiership Grand Final Second Leg thread. I referred to it in my post#449 and you responded at #461, that you were sick of reading goading posts from Aces fans on social media. Which I read to mean you had felt the need to respond with a goading post of your own and that was what I said at #469. I don't think you ever responded to that post. If you read the various posts I refer to in my post above it is clear that in the overall context the reference to taking out the Wolves top two wasn't intended to be read as being anything other than deliberate. Especially, when you take into account the original allegation made on the night of the meeting and excused as being in the heat of the moment, that Belle Vue riders were deliberately trying to injure Wolves riders.

Except that over a week after the meetings you were again commenting that Aces riders took out your top two. That was plainly untrue but you know it is the sort of comment that the idiots will latch onto to justify their behaviour.

I agree with your comments but it is not just one Belle Vue poster on here or on social media. Unfortunately, one Wolves poster, someone I previously had some respect for, has also intentionally or not, risked inflaming the situation by suggesting that the injuries sustained by Lindgren and Thorssell were deliberately caused by Bjerre and Tungate and another previously respected Wolves fan suggested on social media that those two Belle Vue riders get winners medals along with the Swindon team. Hopefully sensible voices will prevail and any further stupidity will be stamped on by fans of both clubs.

Fricke now withdrawn from Melbourne GP so another season ending injury.

At the moment I don't know just how many of the injured riders won't be fit enough to ride on Tuesday and Wednesday. However, whatever the situation I don't see it as a farce. So far as I know, all of the missing riders will be injured, with the exception of Howarth, so it isn't like the many matches with lots of guests and r/r because of doubling up and FIM commitments that have been farcical. Injuries are part and parcel of the sport and can't be avoided, no matter what system we have. We obviously know about Lindgren and Thorssell but if a significant number of the others presently injured are not fit for the two meetings this week but would be soon afterwards, then rearranged dates before the end of the season may be possible and sensible. If not it should go ahead as planned. I'm not in favour of running it at the beginning of next season when both clubs will have different teams and it would be a farce to run the 2017 cup final in 2018.

I suppose he would fit for Fricke.

Let's hope not. This is getting ridiculous, 4 riders involved all getting injured since last night. Fingers crossed they are all ok for Tuesday, although it definitely looks as if Fricke will be out.

There were no dirt deflectors in the 80's. My recollection is that most matches run in wet conditions were often from the gate depending on just how wet it was. The thing about Hyde Road was that fans were prepared to put up with the occasional wet meeting because of the brilliant racing usually served up and knowing that it had to be exceptionally bad for a meeting to be cancelled. If anything the NSS can cope with wet conditions better than Hyde Road. There have been cancellations but a number of meetings in the last few months that have gone ahead after heavy rain and after a half a dozen races, when the shale has been turned over, there has been some good racing. The council are supposed to be paying for track covers for next season so we shall have to see if they do and if so, how practical and effective they are.