BWitcher

I thought Rye House were so rubbish Championship teams would beat them??

2014 the Heat Format was very different, most 3rd heat leaders were struggling to score many pts that year. He averaged 6.42 inc bonus pts at home that year.

He was? More than did his job and an integral part of the 2009 title winning side! Had a serious injury just as he was really beginning to make strides.

No it isn't, otherwise some No 7's would be breaking tapes in all their heats.

The crux of his point is, he doesn't think reserve changes should be allowed under any circumstance. I fail to see any benefit whatsoever to this idea, it hasn't been an issue in the past 60+ years of the sport and it isn't one now.

Yes I do say so. Now an adult answer would have been, "I didn't realise that, thanks for pointing it out." The child storms off in a huff. Edited to add: Actually that's unfair on kids....

I'm afraid the part in bold shows you really don't understand. There is nothing 'open to abuse' as the rider could have just been replaced anyway.

You haven't had a point from the beginning. You've decided after 70 odd years of league speedway that suddenly the team with the best reserve will win the league. It's garbage.

So you think it's a better spectacle to see a reserve, i.e. the lesser standard rider in the race the vast majority of the time, start 15 metres back rather than be replaced by another reserve? The mind boggles.

Well if you want to reduce crowds further that would be a great idea.

It's how you build your side. Some prefer to be top heavy with weaker reserves, others go more balanced ensuring always a strong reserve. It's not a recent thing, it's been that way for decades. It creates opportunity for astute management (which there is hardly opportunity for anymore) yet some want to sterilise the tactical options yet further. Jakobsen had seven rides tonight purely because of RR.

Dear me.. this forum does talk some nonsense at times.

I don't need to dress up any stats. For the past five or six years people have been making these ridiculous claims that weaker EL (as was) would struggle in the PL (as was). They've always been ridiculous and still are now. When you choose to argue the point, provide ZERO to back it up you set yourself up for patronising comments. Last year the leagues were as 'close' as they have ever been in terms of strength, yet in the play off the higher division absolutely destroyed the lower division. It wasn't even a half competitive match. If Rye were in the Championship their team average adds up to over 50pts and I've not even converted KK's or Kennett's averages... so more likely near 54pts.

As Naijer says, it was to be reduce the clashes with the Championship. They can't afford the top stars, as Wolves picking Thorssell over Lindgren shows. However, I do agree with you regarding the complete mess that they have got themselves into with the constant weakening of the league. The gap is still big though. They have effectively six Championship level heat leaders.

Of course it won't, nor anything remotely close to it because such strong teams aren't allowed in the Championship.... there's a clue for you there. These kind of sweeping statements are often made, but in reality it's nonsense. Think of the strongest Championship team, then compare the two rider for rider. Rye have a Championship 2nd heat leader at reserve. A Championship No 1 at 2nd string.

You wouldn't be wagering very well if you did. Rye House are WAY above anything in the Championship. There isn't even the slightest argument. I'd be surprised if any Championship side got within 20 over 2 legs.

Rye are not a great top flight side.. however, they'd walk the Championship.

Cracking start from the team on what could have been a banana skin given lack of practice. It does very much look like Rye are going to struggle away and maybe even at home at times as Nicholls and Harris are only going one way. Brilliant start from Jacob at No 1, I have little doubts about him at home. If he can take that confidence to the away tracks maybe he can surprise me. I hope he does! Great to see Kyle Howarth get a maximum. This is one rider I will hold my hand up and say I got it wrong. I wasn't impressed at all when we originally signed him as I didn't think he'd ever adapt to Monmore. He most certainly has and I love to watch him race when I get the chance. Promising looking start from Ashley Morris too.

Very very sad to have just seen this on Social Media. Ivan won the very first speedway race I ever saw, I was only 5 so didn't really know who he was, but was told 'the guy in the red helmet' is the best. I was hooked from then on. RIP

If that was the case, why was it abandoned after less than a lap?

I haven't slated him in the slightest, I am simply setting realistic expectations.

Riding at No 4. You really aren't grasping the massive difference between No 4 and No 1.

If he performs as he did last year, we are finished. He has to improve massively away from home.

Whereas I prefer a full glass rather than a half full one with a hope it might fill up. I have no idea why you've picked Schlein over Masters. Masters rode pretty much the entire year at No 5. Thorsell and Schlein were riding at 3 and 4. They all have three equal rides, then their fourth.. Schlein and Masters are facing another no 3 or 4 and a reserve... Masters is facing the opposing 1 & 5. The difference is anything from 1-2pts average wise. Despite that Masters was above Schlein. Masters is currently our best rider. Thorssell is at No 1 because of his race position last season. Agree about Howarth if he can continue his rate of progression.

If Thorsell gets in the top 4 in the league averages I would be utterly astounded and we'd be nailed on for the playoffs again at the very least. I would say the following will certainly be higher: Doyle Iversen Cook Kurtz Morris Most likely higher: Fricke Andersen Masters Lambert Top ten he will have done well.