BWitcher

He was suggesting a Wolves team

Thorssell hasn't been poor, he did exactly what realistically could have been expected, actually slightly better in my opinion. He doesn't have an inflated average from riding at No 4 as he did the previous year, or as Schlein and Masters do from this season. As for Howarth, he had an injury blighted season that sees him on a much lower average. Basically, Thorssell and Howarth have to be the first two names on the sheet along with Morris if he wishes to join.

No, not like that at all. Two riders have a crash and get injured. One is mentally strong enough to overcome it and resume his career at a higher level, the other isn't.

Would be a very good signing whatever level the league is at.

If you read his post he clearly states which. I guess this is another of your 'I know something' posts.

That's the whole point, some riders over the years have been able to cope with such things better, meaning they go on to achieve more success in their career. It's an important ingredient to the longevity and success of a career as I mentioned earlier. Take Ermolenko and his injuries in 89. For many riders that would have been the end or they would have come back a shell of the rider they once were, yet he came back even better. He then had a further smash at the end of 93 and broke his leg again and was never quite the same again.

Another ingredient is luck. Someone like Greg Hancock for instance has been able to ride for as long as he has because he has managed, for the most part, to avoid serious injury. Now much of that is down to the way he rides, but even the safest of riders can be wiped out by others.

I meant nobody paid to watch him ride on Monday. As for Cradley, completely agree.

You didn't pay to watch him.

Of course it is. The ability to recover mentally from a crash, the ability to recover mentally from seeing others in a crash, these are ingredients that can make one rider more successful than another. There are many riders over the years who were 'never the same' after a crash, not always a major injury either. Sam Ermolenko for instance came back better than ever from his horror smash in 89, whereas someone like Joe Screen was never quite the same after his bad leg break. With regards to Wolves riders, Mikael Max had a crash in Australia at the end of the GP, he was never close to being the same rider again, whereas Freddie Lindgren had similar crashes and came back even better. So no, it's far from 'ridiculous', it's a major ingredient.

From comments across social media many were attending solely because of Tai being there.

Yep, I can remember the final.

Is that when he beat Hans Nielsen?

I don't think anyone has said that. What has been said is there are more professional riders now than in the 70's. PC would, if he was riding now, be one of the most professional as he was in the 70's.

More time to work out the handicaps? That doesn't take any time at all, it's already done at the conclusion of the previous races.. takes about 30 seconds.

Can't agree with Peter Collins ranking alongside Mark Loram, he is head and shoulders above him in my opinion.

As opposed to made up nonsense which you continually post. Some of your posts could land you in hot water legally too with your accusations of race fixing and cheating. It's already been explained to you the scoring system by both myself and Grachan so it's rendered your point (yet again) irrelevant. As for the final, when the system is used... Its a TEAM event so quite logically the first TEAM to finish wins.

No, only in the Grand Final or a tie.

This is the point, they aren't. The only people 'desperate' to force their opinion over are the Peter Collins fans. Those who think Woffinden ranks right up there have consistently said PC ranks right up there (both of them) and there is a good argument for them to be considered as good. The PC fans constantly keep coming up with points they feel 'proves' why PC was better. As yet every single one of those points has been a failure. "Woffinden has access to better equipment, it wasn't like that in PC's day".. It actually turns out that in his World Final win PC had a completely different engine (4 valve) to much of the field and a massive advantage! A point furthered by Simmons and Crump filling the rostrum. Woffinden's rivals are all on the same machinery. "PC dominated his rivals more than Woffinden does'.. again proven wrong by Waiheke. 'PC faced more top riders than Woffinden does now because of all the 10pters'... this comedy statement proved wrong with ease. That's just a few, there have been more. That's the reason why the thread has gone on so long. So to finish, I again re-iterate, I and I believe most others are certainly NOT questioning the right to hold the opinion that Peter Collins was the best Brit ever. I may not necessarily agree but it's not something that can be definitively proven either way. By the general measuring sticks used Woffinden is ahead, but that is all they are, general measuring sticks. I think some people should feel blessed to have seem them both at their peaks (and some all three including Craven!).

You deserve demeaning when you can't hold a conversation with an understanding of the English language. Nobody has questioned your opinion that PC was better than Tai. Nobody has questioned the ability of PC as a rider, there is no doubt, he was brilliant. What has been corrected is your ridiculous statement that Woffinden has never passed and left World class riders for dead. That is false. Completely untrue and easily proven. It has absolutely nothing to do with 'opinion'. Your other claim is that Tai has never dominated his rivals in the same fashion as PC did in the 70's. Again this is false as Waiheke has already explained. I don't need to 'succeed'. I already have. You can continue to lie, spout your untruths and generally make yourself look a fool if you wish. You'll no doubt get a few likes along the way from some equally like minded folk but the bottom line remains, the above two points are nothing to do with 'opinion', they are factual statements easily dismissed.. which they have been.

It's a pity people have to make things up that are plainly false to try and prove a point. If you are SERIOUSLY for one moment trying to suggest that Woffinden has never passed World Class riders and left them for dead then quite frankly you haven't got a clue about speedway. That is NOT an opinion. That is reality. He has done it on many, many occasions. It isn't something to disagree on, it's not an opinion. If you don't understand that you simply do not belong in an adult conversation. Again, you're perfectly entitled to your opinion that PC was better. That IS your opinion and you are entitled to it. Entirely different to your false claims that can and will be shown to be false.

Woffinden passing and leaving WORLD CLASS riders for dead.. again.

Adults don't make things up to try and prove something. You've posted a video showing Collins beating two half decent riders, nowhere near World Class. Not only that he is on VASTLY superior equipment as confirmed by several posters on there and also it seems by Collins himself. Yet you deny this and try to claim he had no mechanical advantage. You then spout the utter lie that you have never seen Woffinden pass and leave World Class riders for dead. That's not an adult conversation. That's an argument fit for the childrens section.

There is no sensible response when someone is talking nonsense. To try and claim that Woffiden has never left World class riders trailing is simply sheer lunacy. You may tolerate idiocy, I don't.

Are you for real? I've just shown you two races going from last to first, against the reigning World Champion and former World Champions in the other. It's little wonder this thread descends into the farce it does when you took such utter bull. So I take it back, it's not incredulous and utter nonsense for you to say you have not seen Woffinden pass world class riders and leave them for dead... It is an outright lie.