BWitcher

What planet are you from? Bascially, all you have to do now off Gate 4 is ride across everyone until you hit the back or side of someone, at which point you go down and the OTHER rider gets excluded. Pathetic, no, Disgraceful decisions from the referee on both the Adams/Nicki & Bjarne/Nicki incidents.

It wasn't a dirty move from Lukas in my opinion, however he caused the crash and should have been excluded. He is just out of his depth. He's out of control in most races and having to race over the edge to try and stay competitive. He will cause more crashes through over trying.

What is interesting is Tony Steele confirmed he hadn't seen the incident from the right angle on the night and he could now see why people were suggesting Gollob was at fault.

Are there 2 stevebrums? Or does he just get confused with what he thinks? :)

There goes all credibillity for your opinion Rob! Definate points victory to me now!

I have used both on a very regular basis as I fly to Portugal every other weekend. Never had any issues with either to be honest so you should be fine with either, just go with whichever fits your schedule best, unless there is a major price difference. Ryanair is often the cheapest of the 3, but it will depend upon which airport you are nearest too.

No you don't Steve, as you rarely do. And once again, you make a fool of yourself. People were getting bored of TWO peoples opinonated stance. Not just mine. And after all, it was all finished.. until you piled in getting it all wrong!

I think you will find we agreed above, but again Steve you don't read what people post. I'm quite happy. Everyone who has ridden a bike and has commented thinks Gollob's move was extremely dangerous. Apart from Rob's mysterious unquoted 'rider'. And Rob.. you might have earned a points decision, but stevebrum's support for you swayed the judges and I won by unanimous decision! And to repeat so you understand Steve... ROB AND I HAVE AGREED TO DISAGREE!

Interesting that its pretty much accepted that Steele had a nightmare GP with several bad decisions. Anyone can claim they have 'spoken' to a rider, as I did myself. However, I have backed up riders points of view with 5 who have stated in public that it was Gollobs fault. So far, you've provided 0. This reminds me of a court case in which case you'd be laughed out of court with your 'expert' Tony Steele witness. Anyway Rob, its been fun, but shall we just agree to disagree at this point? We don't want to break any records regarding length of a thread.. thats for Poole threads only!

Because Rob, it is the most dangerous move in speedway and nothing gets riders more incensed. I have seen it first hand following an almost exact same incident in 96 at Belle Vue. It is not up to AJ to avoid someone cutting across the front of him. You should only cut across someone if you are a clear bike length in front and it is safe to do so. Gollob wasn't. You can have an opinion, that is fine, all I have been doing is debating with you. What I object to is your constant references to having 'no knowledge of speedway' and 'speedway rules'. I also find it amusing how you avoid the fact that those who would truly know what is and isn't dangerous on a bike (i.e. riders) have condemned the move.

Rob, you sound more and more ridiculous every time you post. Now, as you are saying I don't understand the rules, please go and find me the rule in speedway that says that Gollob is allowed to change his line and in doing so wipe another rider out. I'll be waiting.. and waiting... and waiting. Why? Because there isn't one. There is no rule that says the rider in front can change his line, its a myth. As you have pointed out, it is a riders choice to change his line but if it involves wiping out another rider then he is at fault and should be excluded. What do you make of Jon Cooks comments? They seem highly scathing of Mr Gollob do they not? Is he another that has no knowledge? How about Graham Jones? Does he have no knowledge?

More abuse Rob, is that the best you can manage? So, myself 90% of the contributors on here, Sam Ermolenko, Kelvin Tatum, Lee Richardson and now Jon Cook all have 'no knowledge of speedway' because Rob thinks he knows better. Here's another quote for you from Graham Jones, former Wolves rider. "Gollob thats one of the biggest no-no's in speedway - you *******" I suppose he has no knowledge about speedway either.

'Yes I am extremely angry that we are facing the likely situation of going into tonights crucial meeting without AJ but there is more to this than a crash that could have happened on any track in any country once another rider decides to overstep the mark of hard riding to down right dirty, dangerous and disgusting.' So speaks Jon Cook in his programme notes. Lucifer Sam, Jeff and the couple of others who think Gollob did nothing wrong still fail to realise that what he did is simply a total no-no in speedway.

There is no point Steve. Lucifer Sam and Jeff know more about speedway than World Champion Sam Ermolenko, Multi Longtrack World Champion Kelvin Tatum, and International rider Lee Richardson all who deemed the move as dangerous.

It is his prerogative to make such a move, but not when it impedes another rider which this did. You seem to be saying that it is ok if you are slightly in front to change lines and knock off whoever happens to be near you? I think current and ex-riders are better judges than Tony Steele. What has a Wolverhampton fan got to do with the argument? If anything, the fact I am a Wolverhampton fan should make me biased against Jonsson!!! Every post you make seems to a: unwittingly point towards Gollob's guilt and b: Include highly petty little insults, of which there are no call for.

Yes you did, and I have accepted it. Gollob made an earlier than usual turn to stop AJ. Fine, if there is room to do it. There wasn't.

Very true, most fans have not got a clue. However, most riders have hence their disapproval of Gollobs move. You have even spelt out who was at fault above! You said 'Quite simply Gollob, believing the attack was coming down the insibe made an earlier than normal turn to stop AJs run. ' That is what caused the crash, so therefore Gollob was at fault. Left turning early is highly dangerous if there is another rider in close proximity. There would be absolute carnage if this was done on a regular basis.

Why??

Again and again and again. Tatums knowledge of the rules is irrelevant. What he does have very good knowledge of is, what is safe and not safe to do on a speedway bike. As do Ermolenko and Richardson. Its time to draw the debate to a close. You are perfectly happy with riders wiping others out. That is fine, 95% of the rest of the world are not.

:) Once more the best you can do is talk about things that have nothing to do with the debate. Try making a post without throwing churlish insults into it regarding commentators. Or is this now the basis of your argument? Pearson thought Lindgren won the GP so therefore Gollob did nothing wrong. oh dear... Glad to see that you are changing your version though as you continue to dig. First of all you claimed Gollob was 'changing' his line and was somehow entitled to do so. When pointed out that if by changing ones line you knock somebody off it is in fact dangerous your only response was that AJ was not a good enough rider to avoid it! Its a new in speedway to me, having to avoid being knocked off down the straight! Now you claim Gollob was beginning his turn.. Again, as has been pointed out, you don't begin your turn before the start finish/line! Also interesting that he did not begin to turn that early in his other rides either. Also interestng to note that after his intial swerve/turn Gollob then straightened, before turning into the corner at the NORMAL place.

Lucifer Sam has failed to provide one reason to justify AJ's exclusion. It is a show of extreme desperation, and somewhat disparatory to resort to saying that AJ is not a good enough rider to avoid a crash! There is no rider in the world that could do anything about another rider swerving across their path and taking out their front wheel.

I didn't admit it, I was merely mocking your suggestion that a rider is allowed to swerve into another rider if he is half a bike length ahead! There is nothing in the rules that says anything about the 'rider in front can choose his line'. This is just a myth. The fact is, anyone chan choose to change lines, WHEN IT IS SAFE TO DO SO. On this occasion it was not.

He is entitled to change his line when it is safe to do so! He changed his line and collected somebody as a result. THAT IS THE FACT. And now you are getting very petty with your argument. Jonsson is expected to react in an instant when someone crazily swerves across him on the straight! The more you talk, the bigger hole you dig for your argument. Your version is the guy in front can swerve around all he likes, anybody alongside him had better just get out of the way or be mown down. If you're mown down, its your fault. Gollob miscalculated. He thought he was clear of Jonsson and was not.

Ok.. so now we have established, as agreed by you, that Gollob was the one who changed his line. Hence Gollob caused the crash!

Thankyou for finally pointing out that Gollob 'started to turn'. You don't start to turn at Monmore Green BEFORE the start finish line, never mind a 400 metre plus circuit! No twisting of facts needed.