BWitcher

You are wrong again. There is qualifying every year, so to state that some riders will NEVER get the chance is wrong. You're right. You need to be better.

Its very simple.. it's not how it was in the old days!

True.. although of course, its fairer that the tactical sub rule we used to have. As you probably know I'm referring to the presentation of the sport. He's referring to the the 'winner' as being the one who scores most points in the series, not an individual GP.

Finally... Yet what you fail to realise is WK... Speedway is in the state that it is because it HASN'T moved on from the 70's.

Totally flawed WK, you are preaching a totally different argument for each one, effectively defeating yourself as you do it. The reality is.. you want things how they were back in the day, that is quite simply all there is to it.

My point is, you champion a one-off World Final because thats what sport is all about.. 'unpredictability'.... preferring that to a season long system. you ridicule a play off system as you claim it impacts upon the credibility of the sport... and the champions should be those based on a season long system. Massive contradiction.

Totally agree Oldace, I have made such points many times. Be careful you will have DropaCog on here ridiculing you for suggesting such a thing though. Technically its not a 'sport' but you can say the same thing about Wrestling. Look back at the old World of Sport days and you had a very similar audience.. the old dears in the front row etc. Its been taken to a whole new level now, purely through savvy marketing and outstanding presentation. The problem is, speedway will never have a Barry Hearn or a Vince McMahon because the current cartel would never allow it. Edited to add:- Although it must be said strides are being made at GP Level and the involvement of companies such as Monster Energy, Red Bull will only help.

I d Don't agree entirely. There are new fans around the corner.. there are thousands of them. However to attract them the product has to be made attractive and 'cool'. For far too long speedway has relied on an ever dwindling fan base and its marketing has consisted of popping along to a school fete with a bike every now and then.

Ludicrous arguments again Ian, you really are tying yourself in knots. You're telling us that a 'one-off' final is better than a season long competition because of the unpredictability and 'that's what sport is all about'... while at the same time telling us that a 'one-off' final is completely unfair, ruins the credibility of the sport and drives fans away. Which is it? You either believe one or the other. THIS is the reality. You yearn for the old days, many do, that is no crime. Had in the old days there been a play off system in the league, and a GP for the World Championship.. and now the opposite, you would be arguing for the former. Those days are gone Ian, times have changed and moved on. The only way for the sport to move forward and to gain new fans is for a complete rebranding on the marketing side. Rule changes and how titles are won have very little at all to do with it. Explain to me the qualification system in Formula One each year or Nascar? I don't see them struggling for credibility or struggling for fans. The facts are, other sports have moved on... speedway to a large degree (especially in the UK) hasn't. At league level in particular its still the same old tired presentation.

Already looking like a superb line-up!

So we shall hear no more from you about the playoffs next year WK. You've made your feelings quite clear regarding the subject of the best 'over a season' being worthy winners, or the best 'on the night'.

They can look great. Oxford had the right idea a few years back when they'd crossed out a riders name in pen, and scribbled the name of another underneath it. Can't believe it didn't catch on. Another lost chance to make the sport great again.

Precisely. Lets also not forget that the 'one rider not there on merit' is the No 1 rider for Wolverhampton. Freddie Lindgren is not. He has a far bigger case for being there than Sczakiel did in 1973.

I always love posters like WK.. Here he tells us how it's the undpredictability of it that makes speedway what it is. Oh the beauty of Speedway that a rider like Jerzy Sczakiel could become World Champion when everyone knew he wasn't the best in the world.... But.. lo and behold should the team who doesn't finish top of the league win the play-offs, no longer does undpredictablity make speedway what it is... No wonder is it the beauty of speedway. All of a sudden its the biggest sporting debacle in history!

Aye, but Noaksey, when was the last time you saw Nermark race without a racejacket? Its all changed now.. previous form is out the window!

So the big news out of the talk-in is No Racejackets in 2013. I can only see the sport kicking on from here and going from strength to strength. Future generations will look back at this historic decision as the moment speedways fortunes were turned.

Not really Gemini. If Sky don't renew their contract, next season they will be begging Leicester to join.

What does it say as I won't get mine till tomorrow? Edited to add, seen it on other thread now. Great idea, poorly implemented.

So what did Proctor do wrong last season exactly? Increased his average and did his job. It was NOT his fault that other members of the team didn't perform. Namely Lindgren, Klindt and the reserves. Woffinden, Proctor and Wells all did fine. The argument for Klindt's return is he is sitting on an average which he can increase with ease by a pt, especially riding in a less pressurised position. However, a change of track may well be better for him to rebuild confidence. It beggers belief why we would want to consider a cheat and a complete gating tart ahead of a Wolves man through and through, who rides willingly through the pain barrier for the club, pulls match winning/league title winning rides out of the bag when it matters, brings fun and an atmosphere to the team and the fans and inspires and has the full respect of every single one of his team mates.

Spot on. Under a 42.5 pts limit its not as vital for all the riders to be increasing their averages. You need stability. Just as Graham Jones used to in years gone by, Adam would provide that in the heart of the team. In the meetings I went to last season at Monmore, the place was dead. Lets get some fun and atmosphere back, not only in the team but on the terraces. The two can rub off on each other. Fred Tai Adam They're the rock I would build the team around. Ricky Wells, he deserves to be back based upon the progress made last year. It does worry me a tad that he can do so well again, especially in a potentially stronger league and riding the whole year in the main body of the team? However, I think he is worth his place. That would leave 3 places, as Superguest says, Jacob should be a must as he showed flashes of excellent form and on a low average is a no brainer. IF TNT's latest hero, Mikkel Michelsen was available he should be snapped up to partner Jacob at reserve. Not sure what that would leave for the remaining spot in the team and whether its a case of slotting Proctor or Klindt in at No 2, or if more pts available looking at someone else. If Michelsen is a success and Wells has any early season struggles, at least it would mean we should always have a strong reserve all season long, with an improving 2nd reserve in Jacob, something we have been lacking for some time.. even in 2009.

?? Based on? On a lower pts limit would have agreed. In this format, a solid, experienced rider in the middle of the team is perfect. He brings a stabilising influence to the team. I still remember talking with Nicolai Klindt at the end of the 2009 season when discussing the team for the following year, he stated how vitally important it was that we had either PK or Adam in the team. An older, wiser head, who is Wolves through and through is what the team needs right now in my opinion. Also his average is now a little lower after his spell at Belle Vue, around 6.5 I believe which I think is manageable. 6.92 as it was, yes tad high.

Thank the lord. 42.50 gives us the opportunity to bring back Skornicki. Bring some balance to the middle order, a calming influence on the team and an inpirational rider who can pull it out of the bag when it really matters... AND bring some entertainment back.

Incorrect as ever Steve. All I, and others, ever said about David Howe was, great second string.. not a heat leader. We were right, you were woefully wrong. Move on. The situation with Nicolai is the same. Riding at no 2 on a sub 6pt average, he's a bargain. Should season end he be on 6.7, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to include him the following year.

Such is speedway... however no it isn't the same team tbh. Aspgren would be riding at reserve with a seasons experience under his belt (unlike last year thrown to the dogs at no 2). Thorssell has already shown he can score pts at no 7, which is a significant upgrade on Sowka.. again, has some experience under his belt. Lindgren had a bad year last year by his standards and will surely do better. Woffinden to remain as is, although he is still improving so may be more to come, particularly away from home. Wells/Proctor to remain as is, steady pts scorers in the middle of the team. Proctor if doubling up would be riding with confidence. Klindt at No 2 would be very strong and likely to add a pt back to his average. Less pressure in that role. Schlein, if he stays clear of injury is also more than capable of adding at least a pt to his average, maybe more as not riding at No 1. We won't know till the teams are formed. One things for sure, if the door isn't closed on the 4.00 foreigner than Poole will be walking it again if they have Pawlicki junior.

Agreed, would be a very solid team TNT. Some will no doubt not like the inclusion of Klindt. However, at this stage in his career he reminds me of David Howe. A no no to line up as a heat leader, but a definate yes to line up as a 2nd string.