BWitcher

So now we have the truth (see translation from f-s-p on other thread) and as suspected, there is no mention of 'putting pressure' from Armando Castagna in his interview whatsoever. He simply spelled out what we already knew. Which is precisely why I cautioned those diving in castigating BSI on the basis of a Onesport lackey's spin.

Thanks f-s-p for the ACTUAL translation, not the Onesport lackeys spin of what he wants it to say.

Not listened to many speedway meetings on TV then clearly.

It's a shame when an adult can't just admit they've made a mistake, but continue to dig and dig and dig. You've made statements about something when you don't even know what it was that was said.. then tried to deny it.. had your own words quoted and now continue to dig and dig and dig. That's not a discussion, that's being a child.

You weren't jumping on BSI but said "Sounds like BSI haven't just shot themselves in the foot but blown their leg off" This over something that you have absolutely no clue what has been said. I would suggest its pretty difficult to decide if something is 'true' or 'not true' or even to make a judgement as to whether someone has 'shot themselves in the foot' or 'blown their leg off' if we haven't even read it.

I'm more referring to the fact that the 3 quoted are jumping on BSI, but have they actually read the article themselves? i.e. Do we know what has actually been said by Castagna?

Have any of you 3 read the article in question? Iris mentions.. 'sounds' like a good magazine.. surely if he has read it, it wouldn't 'sound' like one..

Irrelevant.

Not even arranged the final round yet?

Actually he didn't, the rider alongside him was far enough ahead to avoid the out of control Ward is the only difference. As for Fords comments.... a load of tripe.

It is 'great news'... but its the same news as 6 months ago.. and 6 months before that.. and a year before that.. and 6 months before that.. and so on. Still no sign of any planning permission, which means nowhere closer to building work commencing. Now there is going to be a 'public consultation'.. what does that involve one wonders? I repeat, I don't think anyone wants to see this fail, it would and hopefully WILL be bloody fantastic for both the Aces and the sport in the UK. The problems have all risen from the unrealistic time scales given in the initial press releases.

As you point out greyhoundp, Monmore is a track that Lambert struggled on last year... which makes it all the more bizarre he chooses not to ride in this meeting as the extra track time on a track he struggled at would be invaluable. It really does seem like an ego driven decision in that he won't compete because he thinks he might get beat. Agree with everything else you say, the comparison between Bridger and Woffinden is a good one. It's certainly not impossible for Lambert to go on and forge a very very successful career, but those advising him are making it a hell of a lot more difficult for him to do so.

It is true, no need to knock them. Although most research and past examples show the chances of the kid becoming disillusioned and burning out are far higher by pushing them so much at an early age. Not talking speedway here per se, but across all sports.

Weren't Mark Loram and I think Joe Screen banned early this century for not riding in the British Final?

So he didn't mention 500cc as you claimed? Good lad. Admits his error but still claims he is right.. Marvelous. Even if he had, how does it aid your argument that riders aged 14 should be allowed? Now again, despite you trying to rewrite history and squirm out of another of your 'errors'.. the conversation regarding Australia had nothing to do with you proposing competency tests.. it came about because YOU made a direct attack on the UK system of making them wait till they are 15.. as below:- As can clearly be seen, you have dismissed Woffinden because he is a product of the 'Aussie' system, attempting to use their 'system' as a way of saying that our system of making them wait till they are 15 doesn't work. Of course it totally escaped you that the Aussies make them wait till they are 16, which was completely counter productive to your own argument. A sensible discussion could certainly be had regarding the pipeline of British youngsters and the lack of real successful riders brought through, but the 'age' at which they are allowed to race professionally would have zero effect on that. In actual fact, most experts in this area across all sports would tell you, exposing 14 year olds to competitive professional action is not generally a good thing. The chances of them burning out are far far higher.

It's staggering how you resort to arguing over points that actually go totally against what you are arguing for. Case 1: You have a pop at me for bringing up Australia as having the same restrictions as the UK.. when in actual fact they are more severe. Case 2: You are having a pop about the law in the UK stating you have to be 21 to ride a 500cc motorbike. Both of these things go totally against your argument that a 14 year old should be allowed to race competitively on a 500 cc machine. You wouldn't be much use in a debate, here's a tip, you need to look for things to support your argument ... not fight for those that destroy it!

Regardless of heat of the moment he did it. That is no excuse.

The Lamberts can have all the slack they want, they've done very well in getting their son additional track time and experience, nobody is knocking them for that at all. Good luck to the lad. However, little point 'supporting' a rider because he is 'british' if he doesn't want to race for his country. Not that I believe that will be the case for one moment down the line.

That's life. Deal with it. Most others do. Next Lamberts family will be bleating the speed limits are different in the UK to Germany.

Wrong, as I generally have a position to defend and am able to defend it without tying myself in knots. There is simply nothing for you to defend here. Lambert was not victimised. He simply had to abide by the rules that every other young budding speedway rider in the country had to abide by. All well and good until the first time the 14 year old is injured or causes the injury to another rider. The rule in place is 100% sensible. It seems the only people who disagree with this are you and the Lamberts.

This thread would have died out a long time ago but for your inane defence of a defenceless position.

If you'd bother to actually read the thread you will see very few people are having a go at him, just disagreeing with he and his families claims. Most actually want to see him succeed.

Most people seem to understand the point..

They didn't exactly confront it.. But they brought it up and gave the impression there was more to it than meets the eye.

Also very interesting in the Eurosport studio commentary when referring to Sayfutdinov and Gollob. Basically adding fuel to the fire that, as speculated by many, their withdrawal was not for the reasons give.