BWitcher

You're right, it's clearly the reason the sport of speedway is struggling. Look at tennis.. you've got pts, game and sets.. you can win the vast majority of the pts and games yet lose the match. Far too complicated, especially for new fans. That sport is dead.

You get plenty of extra pts, he just quoted part of the first paragraph to try and prove himself right, he cut the rest out as it didn't help him. The actual scoring rules are posted a couple of posts up. If you think speedway is complicated, have fun with those!

Goodell doesn't make the rules though.. the competition committee, consisting entirely of affiliated members of clubs do.. and the rules are voted in entirely by club owners. Goodell merely enforces them. He's the equivalent of the SCB in that effect. Of course he has other duties as well which you allude to. The point is, speedway is not the only sport where the club owners make the rules.

Here is what iainb posted to try and prove his point (and failing). Of course he only posted the bit he wanted to on the Cricket. What it ACTUALLY says is: "SCORING OF POINTS - COUNTY CHAMPIONSHIP A team is awarded 16 points for a victory, with both sides earning eight points for a tie and five points apiece if a match is drawn. Any points scored in the first innings is added on. If the scores are equal in a drawn match where play has taken place, the side batting in the fourth innings scores eight points plus any points scored in the first innings, and the opposing side scores five points plus any points scored in the first innings. First Innings Points are awarded only for performances in the first 110 overs of each first innings and retained whatever the result of the match. Batting Points 200 to 249 runs - 1 point 250 to 299 runs - 2 points 300 to 349 runs - 3 points 350 to 399 runs - 4 points 400 runs or over - 5 points Bowling Points 3 to 5 wickets taken - 1 point 6 to 8 wickets taken - 2 points 9 to 10 wickets taken - 3 points If a match is abandoned without a ball being bowled, each side scores five points. If penalty runs are awarded to a team which at that time had faced less than 110 overs in their first innings, or completed their first innings before they had faced 110 overs, those penalty runs will be considered as counting towards the total as far as the award of bonus points is concerned. If penalty runs are awarded to a team which had already faced 110 overs or more in their first innings, or had previously completed their first innings after they had faced 110 overs, those penalty runs will not be considered as counting towards the total as far as the award of bonus points is concerned. If the match is abandoned due to an unfit pitch, the home team receives zero points and any bonus points already achieved are rescinded. The visiting team are awarded 16 points plus bonus points already achieved or 20 points - whichever is the greater at the time of abandonment For tie-breaker purposes, the home side are credited with the loss and the away team gain the win. The side with the highest aggregate of points gained at the end of the season are crowned Champion County of their respective Division." And he says speedways pts system is complicated! I've also highlighted a pertinent bit in bold. Imagine that, what a 'ridiculous rule'.. the away side given a win!!

Which part? If it's the away team receiving an extra pt, absolutely not and the overwhelming majority of people, speedway fans or not wouldn't bat an eyelid about it. Just as they don't at rules and criteria in other sports, many of which have been covered. If it's the adults part, that's up to you, continue in the debate or post another inflammatory message, your choice.

Agree, but as I said many of the principles are the same. It is the 32 owners that vote on any rule changes for example, not an independent body. The Competition Committee who propose the rule changes aren't independent, they are all representatives of clubs. be it presidents, owners or head coaches. In essence the same as the BSPA management committee. It's just the professionalism and adaption of ideas that is the major (and of course I mean MAJOR) difference.

There hasn't been anything to 'disagree' on. You made a claim, it was false. You were corrected by myself and others. Unable to act like an adult you've descended into hurling more and more insults with each post you make. Perhaps contribute in an adult fashion and explain why it is 'ridiculous' that one team can score more for 'drawing' than another or let the adults carry on discussing.

Most of it made perfect sense, so why not tell us what you feel is wrong?

To be fair, aren't American sports generally run this way? Far more professionally of course..

He stated no facts. Just those irrelevant to the debate and his claim of a 'ridiculous' scoring system.

It doesn't matter how many times you say it, You are wrong and have been told as such by several folk on the thread. Neither is it 'ridiculous' as you claim it to be.

The irony. I don't need to come back with anything. Prove to me that the extra pts earned, for whatever the set criteria may be (rugby, cricket, speedway they all have their own criteria), don't count towards the league pts total in those other sports. Do that, and I'll hold my hands up and accept you were right all along.

Easier than you because I can remember the difference between 6 and 7. FACT: You are wrong FACT: Other sports have games where the away team can score more for a draw than the home team FACT: Those points count towards the LEAGUE PTS regardless of how often you try and claim they don't.

So you are claiming that they don't count towards the league pts?

It isn't fact. They are league pts as well, or are you claiming they don't count in the LEAGUE TABLE.. Why do you have to make things up?

Can you imagine a sport where the player who scores the most pts doesn't win... Ridiculous! Never be taken seriously by the media or the public in general. Oh wait... I think that is far more of a vagary than an extra pt for the away team in speedway.

I was just playing along with you. The reality is, of course you can remember it. It's clearly something that's an issue with you hence you harping on so much on this thread. As many do when they have no argument, they make something up to back it up.. with some its the laughter in the pub, you've invented that you can't remember it as your reasoning behind not liking it.. when that's all you can come up with, it speaks volumes.

You've said it.. and you've been proven wrong. Multiple times. Can you imagine a sport where 1pt = 15, 2pts = 30... you wouldn't get that in any other sport. It would just be 'ridiculous'. Such a sport would be a laughing stock!

Regarding the topic of the thread... when has there ever been an AGM where 'Big Decisions' weren't needed and it wasn't 'one of the most important ever'.. It's been nigh on every season for decades.

It's already been explained to him, but it's to no avail. He's already admitted he gets confused between the numbers 6 and 7 so there isn't much hope getting any reasoning from him other than.. "It's ridiculous". He might spin you a yarn about a full pub rolling around the floor in laughter when he mentioned the speedway scoring system one night to back up his "Ridiculous" and "In what other sport" claim...

It suited those with a bigger home track advantage. I never really had a problem with it, but if you ask most what it's purpose was the answer will be to keep interest in a meeting alive (score wise) for longer.. Well the current system does that far better. Where they shot themselves in the foot is scrapping the extra pt a home team got for winning by more than 6.. now 46-44 is as good as 49-41. The reasoning being home fans supposedly went home unhappy if they missed out on the extra pt after winning a meeting....

The basic mentality of your average speedway fan is summed up on this thread. We want the old bonus pt system back. Why? Because it kept meetings interesting. So they advocate scrapping a system that keeps meetings more interesting than than the old 'bonus pt' system ever did.

Or other sports as has already been pointed out.

So are you saying 'bonus pts' are different to 'pts' now? Good god. You've asked a question, you've been answered. Your 'ridiculous' argument has been blown out of the water. Stick to trying to remember the difference between 7 and 6... we already know that proves difficult for you, so anything beyond that such as this discussion will be way too much for you

Agreed to an extent, but then rugby has similar rules to speedway