BWitcher

And here is the perfect example. You do realise the videos on Youtube are what happened? They are hard and fast, undisputable evidence. They are not fictitious events, created by CGI. What you wish us to believe is, those meetings, and there are many of them now, are not real. Somehow false. Not a fair representation? As I have quite clearly explained numerous times, but you don't seem to grasp is I am not referring to a few videos. I also have the recollection of how brilliant racing used to be in the late 80's to early to mid 90's. Yet I have EVERY SINGLE ONE of those meetings on DVD and when I rewatch them, I soon realise that its nothing like I remember it at all, in fact much of the time its quite dull. Excitement has little to do with speedway's success. Speedway struggles because it has a poor marketing image. It's not deemed 'cool'. All sports have a churn of fans, I know many people who used to go to every home game in football, but no longer go anymore, the difference is they are replaced by new younger fans. Speedway WAS better in the past, not because the racing was much better, if better at all, but because there were good crowds and a vibrant atmosphere. In such an environment a poor race can seem average, an average race is great and a great race is simply out of this world. It's rare these days that feeling can be replicated, with the exception of the playoffs, which is why I love them so much.. its one of the rare times that the old feelings can come flooding back.

Almost all teams in a 16 team league with a 13 heat format will have "three heat leaders of quality". They all appeared so great because they raced each other a lot less. Stick those same teams in the current EL race format for a few seasons and you wouldn't have such a high regard for the majority of the riders. Which leads us to another interesting point.. some (falsely) complain that the gap between riders in races is too much now in the EL.. yet its closer than it has EVER been as the top riders are mostly riding against each other (ignoring the craziness of the reserves moving up this year for one moment).... and yearn to back to the old days when all the heat leaders had very high averages.. why? Because they were winning all their races, making it much more predictable. From a perception and a marketing point of view, it could be argued it is better to have the top riders meet less often.. They then appear more invincible and on the odd occasion they are beaten its a big event. When you look at a team it looks a lot more exciting seeing a 10-11pt rider coming to visit than an 8pt rider as a No 1.

This is correct, another one of the stupid rules the sport has in place, as they desperately scramble for the 8-10 fans who might go to both.

The same old folk would.. robert72 would be up in arms.

If they were willing to seed him, why would Tai be referring to the semi-finals and why haven't the BSPA said so? Remember, this is the BSPA we are talking about here! Logic is not there strong point.

That's different and is entirely a matter of opinion. You presented yours, I presented mine. The only thing I questioned you on was your belief other championship contenders would ride in a meet in another country the night before a GP. Other than that simply a matter of opinion which is fine, we can debate it, remain civil and agree to disagree. Where the issues come in is when someone makes a factual claim that is false... they are corrected, not always by me, but others as well, but rather than accept that they go off on a rampage screaming "Were you there", start hurling abuse and it all descends from there. That is not an opinion, just someone who is wrong. There's a big, big difference.

Again, I agree with much of it.. BUT.. a significant difference also is we had a very good team in 2009 and as you say Freddie was flying. It will be interesting to see what happens this season at Wolves if the team continues its impressive start to the season with regards to attendances.

Bless. Carry on, just clarifying you're a parasite.

Nope as with Skygo you can share to be used on up to 4 different devices.

Except that isn't the case is it, what you should say is you don't care how much posters go on as long as they agree with you... they 'bug' you if they have a different view and bug you the most when they can factually prove it too... hence you never having a cross word to say about the nonsensical abusive ramblings of Sidders when he's been on the sherry.

Yes, you're stealing. Glad you are proud of it.

So you're stealing basically then

It's not Wroclaw he's riding for, its the meeting at Wroclaw stadium on the Sunday that was arranged as a form of compensation for the debacle of last years GP. The point still remains though.

If that's the case then absolutely no reason for a professional like Woffinden to be riding here then is there! You've just shot yourself down in flames.

There were no more 'top riders' then, than there are now worldwide. It was a lot easier to have a high average and win most of your races back then due to the number of teams (so talent spread out) and the race format. Plus most riders were amateur and the bottom end of teams was pretty poor. Hence why in every era of speedway, when it comes to the World Championships, there's always a select few who consistently rise to the top.

100% spot on. This would be done and dusted and everyone focused on the first meeting by now if it weren't for a few lackeys continuing to live in denial. They are doing nothing but damage to the club they claim to support. Put it to bed now and look forwards, there are going to be great times ahead...

What part of Tai isn't in the British Final don't you understand? He would have to race in the semi-finals, which are the day before and day after a GP. The day after he's contracted to ride and no GP rider with the aim of being World Champion is going to ride the night before in another country. Now, if the BSPA had said they were willing to seed him direct to the final and he still didn't ride, I'd be more inclined to see your point of view.

Which is fair enough, at least you can distinguish between two totally separate things, unlike some!

As you well know I am referring to individual World Titles. Here we go, Sidney has arrived to turn the thread into nonsensical abuse. The answer is zero Sidney.

That is my point, yet you liked the post that is 'hardly the same comparison'. Chris Harris has ridden in a league meet I believe the night before a GP... again, hardly a major contender.

What if he doesn't believe in God and is anti-royalist?

Ah yes, remind me how many World Titles he won?

You didn't answer my question, I asked if you could name me another rider with serious ambitions of winning the World Title would do it? Let's put it this way. Could you see Denmark scheduling a Danish Championship round the night before a GP expecting Iversen and Pedersen to ride in it?

Not sure which bit about GP.. and another country you don't quite grasp...

Do we? Can you let me know of any other GP riders with serious ambitions of winning the World Title who ride in another country the night before a GP?