BWitcher

Nail on the head. Of course the guidelines should be followed. If not, you can't measure it's degree of success at all. And you are right, everything is changing on a daily basis, which is why many of us are continually discussing it. The fact that 'experts' are learning on a daily basis and are constantly changing their prognosis backs up it's an ever evolving situation.

The deaths aren't 'soaring daily', if you're referring to yesterday's figure.. that's higher for the same reason as last Monday. They don't have time to record all the deaths on a Sunday, so many of them carry over to the next day. Hence you'll find Sunday's figure is always lower.. but the balance is added to Mondays. That said, they will continue to rise for at least the next 7 days or so when 'hopefully' it will reach a peak and then begin to plateau.. as they have done in Italy and Spain. Of coursed, plateauing at that level won't be good as hundreds will still be dying so its when things start to consistently start going down we can start to be hopeful. The reason for pointing out the number of deaths is that there are many laboring under the belief the deaths we have seen so far are unprecedented.. they were doing so when 50 a day were dying. Many of us said then that those figures were a drop in the ocean and were ridiculed. Of course.. we were right. However, a major factor in both our recording of deaths.. and indeed that of Italy is they are including deaths that were 'suspected' to have covid-19 not just those who have it which is exaggerating the numbers somewhat.

Is that because you can post your fiction here and it's believed?

Looking at it again, I'd misread it too. It's actually got both.. the blue bars are normal deaths, the yellow is Covid-19. I hadn't noticed that previously as not looked at this particular graph before. It does show that London is a hotspot , so what you are saying may well have some credence. As before, next weeks chart will be more revealing as there will be a lot more data. Thanks for that input, it's very valid and something else to consider.

The data is only up until 27th March, but up until that point, the covid-19 deaths were very much in line with the norms per region. Those with higher population had more deaths. Interestingly London at that point was actually doing better.. with a lower number of deaths than expected for its population. The South-East and in North West seemed hit the hardest, but nothing out of the ordinary. The next weeks data which will be up till April 4th will give a much clearer picture as that is the week when the Covid-19 deaths began to escalate. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending27march2020#deaths-by-region That's the link, scroll down to Number 5 for the by region charts. I understand the points you are making and you may well be right.. as I say, next weeks data will reveal a lot more. Edited to add: Happy Birthday

The issue is quite simply, some operate under the belief that nobody died before Covid-19, we've seen many of them on this thread. They ridicule flu/pneumonia. Flu/pneumonia up till 27th March this year has killed 28,398. Covid-19 is a massive problem because it happens fast and as you know creates the strain on hospitals. It's not been helped that the flu season was mild, normally around 34,000 have died from flu/pneumonia... but only 28,398 have.. that's meant a lot of vulnerable people were ripe for the picking, which Covid-19 has done. Had we had a worse flu season, it would have passed un-noticed and the deaths from Covid-19 wouldn't have been so harsh. Unfortunately its a bad combination of the two, although the end result is same amount of deaths.... up to this point. The deaths will continue to rise however as Covid-19 continues its rampage. Particularly of concern is its effects when it gets into care homes.

Nothing to do with opinions. it's facts that are being discussed. Just because some like fantasies, like the ones on this thread. As for safe? Its STILL the case that there have been less deaths from respiratory diseases in the UK this year than the average for the past 5. Is covid-19 serious? YES IT IS.

Thought you might enjoy this, if you haven't seen it already:

Yet it was fine in the late 80's, early 90's when crowds were far bigger.. You should know that more than anyone with some of the reserves Cradley trotted out in that period! I've got plenty of tapes with Sam Ermolenko, Ronnie Correy, Jan O Pedersen and the like in the same race as folks like David Haynes.. who literally were nearly half a lap behind.

Apologies, I thought the post was on the other, more intelligent thread. What is there to have out? The point is, hundreds of thousands die from the flu annually. You think that's irrelevant and not a matter of concern. That is sick. Covid-19 is a virus that is of course a matter of concern too. 110,252 deaths from flu this year. 16,314 from Covid-19. If you think either should be dismissed, you've got a screw loose.

Not at all, that cretin has dismissed it several times on other threads. And yes, I will call someone a cretin who dismisses such a loss of life as insignificant. His comment says it all. Corona is not yet proven to be more contagious. Figures are beginning to prove that. Strands of flu infect millions within weeks at the start of each flu season. That is WITH a vaccine. The death rate is as yet unproven. The more testing done, the lower it is becoming. And yes people ARE playing down the annual deaths from the flu, it is ludicrous to suggest they are not. The Third Man is just one such person. I have not belittled Covid-19, which The Third Man claims... Yes it is something to be taken seriously as all viruses are.

It does, you imbecile. Staggering you have such little regard for 250,000 to 600,000 people losing their lives.

I see, so 250,000 to 600,000 dying each and every year is 'a wind up'. Good to know.

Influenza has no cure. Otherwise it wouldn't kill between 250,000 and 600,000 every year. I'm not belittling Covid-19. I'm simply pointing out, if the media hyped up the amount that die from different strains of influenza, we'd be locked down every flu season.

You've never seen 180 people die from a virus related illness in the UK before?

The words of Samwise Gamgee from Lord of the Rings seem particularly apt at this moment in time: "“It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going, because they were holding on to something. That there is some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for.”

Karma is harsh giving him a mild cold

Err... it's experienced every single winter.

The death rate is massively spewed as they are only testing serious cases. Over 80% of cases have mild symptoms or none at all, these are not included in any 'death rate' figures. Plus, as you've pointed out, not everyone who dies actually died from the virus itself. There are two cases now in Portugal (out of the six who have died) where they died of other reasons but was discovered they had Covid-19 at the time. They're included in the stats though. What should be being looked into are the reasons why Italy and Spain have such a high death rate compared to many other countries.

I haven't mentioned anything about his opinion. It's Tsunami who is attacking Raystadia's opinion and claiming he is the only one who shares it.. he is far from that.

Tsunami is notable for his absence on the other, more detailed, discussion of Covid-19..

That would be his sister Ruth.

The sad news filtered through today of the death of Mark Lawton. Any old school Wolverhampton, and indeed, speedway fan will know of his impact. He was co-creator of the Wolfcry website who were one of the very first, if not the first, to begin online live updates. He truly was one of the kindest, most generous, men I have ever had the pleasure of knowing and will be sadly missed. RIP Mark

I sincerely hope you did have it Grachan (not meant in a bad way) along with many many others. By the same token I sincerely hope many thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, more have it now than is reported (as they are not testing).

You'll upset the Gollob is god's gift gang, with his one world title and multiple home rounds... as can already be seen. If we take their careers from when Gollob was in the GP's so 1998-2013.. and award pts for their finishing position.. 16 for 1st, down to 1 for last.. Hancock scores 4 more pts than Gollob. Then factor in Hancock had finished 4th, 3rd and 1st in the three years prior to Gollob.. then added 1st, 2nd, 1st, 14th and 5th after him. Gollob was more exciting.. but the objective in speedway is winning races.. and at that Hancock was better.