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I don't disagree with any of that. I just simply point to what the 'experts' that we are told by some we must listen too said if a country didn't lock down. It wouldn't just see them get cases.. but an absolute crazy amount.. hundreds of thousands were to die.. Not locking down isn't a cure... the issue is, has locking down actually made any difference, or enough of a difference to warrant the severe collateral damage.

Shhh... lest they work out the master plan behind all this.

If he has we know what he's been up to!

And once you've digested it.....

Awful places. I avoid the use of public toilets as much as possible.. especially for no 2's... if it's an absolute desperate situation, it's a case of squatting and not touching the seat!

Feel free, the more information shared the better!

Up until April 5th less people had died in the UK this year than the average for the past five years. With the recent 'success' of the lockdown and the surge of deaths, that figure is now being surpassed.

Totally agree with that.

We're up to a month now! Blimey, this virus keeps taking longer and longer. 14 days.. 21 days.. now a month. However long is necessary to get the numbers to fit I guess! In Japan it's taking 4 months to start killing. But boy.. just wait till it does. Same in Sweden no doubt.

There are just as many if not more who will have had preliminary symptoms and not self isolated. Millions and millions will have had some of the symptoms listed for Covid-19 as a number of them are the same as the common cold, or a strain of flu. The majority have not locked themselves away. Yet the overwhelming majority of deaths you see reported, the pattern seems to be the same.. had been self isolating.. condition deteriorated. Viruses thrive indoors. That's proven. Self isolating I don't mind per se, but get some fresh air and in particular sunlight at the very least! My Mother received a letter from the NHS yesterday telling her she is not to go outside her house.. but she can have a window open. Absolute nonsense. So suggesting can't sit in the garden? Do you think the virus is going to fly over the fence? But it won't fly through an open window?

These pale into comparison to the numbers still going to work, cramming onto the tube and going to supermarkets.

Perhaps he means they were out so in danger of being run over?

Indeed... the reality is, the vast majority of deaths appear to be from those who were 'self isolating'.

But we do have true evidence now that there isn't a single country that has either 'not locked down' or have a much 'laxer' lockdown that has seen any significant surge in either cases or deaths. In reality, it's actually been the opposite. The justification for the lockdown was we'd see 20 x the cases, 20 x the deaths. Events around the world are showing that simply isn't the case... so we're simply destroying the economy and creating absolutely massive problems down the line (which many simply don't grasp) for what amounts to be very little or no gain at all. Based upon the initial models there was a very strong argument the lockdown was the way to go.... but as more and more data emerges they need to stop modelling on theories and actually look at reality. The problem you will have now is stubborness. The 'experts' will not want to admit they were wrong.. governments will have a hard time coming out saying, well actually, sorry folks, we cocked up here, seems the lockdown doesn't actually help. In reality, in a sensible world they shouldn't be criticised if they did that.. they did what they thought was best and the models showed and erred on the side of caution. Sadly though people turn fast and they'd get a very negative response. PLUS you'd have a section of society who would blame every death thereafter on there not being a lockdown and forget all about those who were dying when there was one. The other factor is... for a lockdown to have any chance to work, it needs to be total.. as it was in Wuhan. However, you simply can't lock down an entire country. Whilst people are still going to work, going to supermarkets etc... and you have idiots breaking the guidelines (not the ones in parks, more the ones having house parties) it simply isn't going to happen. This 'myth' that the lockdown is working because numbers are beginning to stabilise is just that. A myth. That's how viruses work.. indeed it happens every single year without fail. In October you start to see an increase in flu/pneumonia related deaths.. the figure rises and rises quite sharply till in December you hit around 3000 a week dying. That continues for a number of weeks at that level (doesn't rise further like these stupid models keep portraying) before starting to drop down as winter comes to an end. This virus is following the exact same pattern.

Daily deaths from viruses are never below 100 a day. Even in summer.

You're underplaying it. That's just flu... it doesn't include pneumonia deaths which are another 100,000 or so deaths. At least 1/3 of which come from flu.. the rest from other viruses contracted from social contact. So basically 100,000+ deaths.. no lockdown necessary. They're expendable.

An average of 34,000 people have died between Jan and the end of March over the last five years. from flu/pneumonia. Sure, there's a vaccine but that will only cover one of the strains and even then isn't guaranteed... and as a result 34,000 people are dying. So why do we not lock down? After all, those deaths are caused from social contact. Effectively, what you are saying is, those 34,000 don't count.

Every death that is linked to covid-19 is reported as a death from covid-19. The reality is the majority of those cases have developed pneumonia... exactly as happens with serious cases of influenza. The difference.. then influenza develops into pneumonia, the death will be reported as pneumonia. Now, it is not, it is reported as Covid-19. Secondly, I have always referred to the ONS statistics, not the NHS figures which only include hospitals.

Well they do most winters.. I know of a care home that had 19 die in two days a couple of years ago. Around 3000 a week die from flu/pneumonia in England and Wales alone during the months of Dec-February and around 2500 a week in March.

Excellent post. Not complicated is it!

You've been given the facts and their official source. "My wife says" is not a fact. The Office of National Statistics is fact. It's time you grew up.

As also explained on the other thread.. flu is not the killer by itself, although it does account for the deaths listed by DC2 above. The biggest issue is, flu can develop into pneumonia. In 2017 2.6 million.. thats MILLION people died from pneumonia worldwide. 800,000 of those where CHILDREN aged under 9. One THIRD of those cases developed from FLU. So you can add onto the figures solely attributed to flu a further 850,000 or so that develop into pneumonia. Now how does this fit into Covid-19? It's reported that in almost ALL serious cases of Covid-19, it has caused pneumonia.. (Sound familiar?). However... when they die, it's not reported as pneumonia but as Covid-19.. or 'complications from Covid-19'. The reality is, with both flu and Covid-19 in the overwhelming majority of cases you get over it fine... it's when they develop into pneumonia you have the problem. The problem is that Covid-19 cases developing into pneumonia are on TOP of the normal flu cases developing into pneumonia... which of course can contribute to overloading the health systems.

Yep Morten Andersson, not Morgan! Thanks guys.

Somewhat similar to Daniel Andersson who was around a few years later.

Finally, read the above post and actually learn instead of disrespecting all those whose death was brought on by flu/pneumonia, or was the death of Chunky's parents and grandmother a 'conspiracy'. Viruses kill those who don't have the immune system to fight them. Covid-19 is bad because it's a new one to add to the list, which is big enough already.