Ghostwalker

spook, imo the reason to why the likes of Bjarne and Pepe manage to qualify is due to the lack of established opponents. If there would be plenty of GP riders would ride the qualifiers its would perhaps be less likely that riders like Bjarne, Pepe... would qualify. Freddie managed to go through the qualifiers for 2011 so he obviously knows how to do it and that it can be done. IMG has managed a few good picks the latest years, like Emil, Holder and AJ but several of their other picks have not been successful,

as i said that is entirely because the GP riders KNOW that they will get a nomination if they are outside top 8 which means they don't bother with the qualifiers. You can't blame the qualifiers for not beating GP riders if they GP riders don't ride in the qualifiers? Therefore qualifiers are more worthy then the charity cases.

that's because the likes of Harris, Lindgren, N. Pedersen and the other Gp riders does not bother to do the qualifiers but instead relies on nominations if they finish outside top 8. If the nominations would be scrapped the GP riders would be forced to do the qualifiers. Perhaps they would qualify anyway but i wouldn't be surprised if a few of them would fail. .Besides Lindgren, Antonio and Artem díd beat a GP rider in the qualifiers for 2011. They all beat Chris Harris. For the 2010 GP series, Jarek Hampel, Chris Holder and Zorro successfully beat Chris Harris, Fredrik Lindgren, Rune Holta and Kenneth Bjerre all 4 of those were 2009 GP riders.

also according to article i mentioned in my previous post. 2012 will be the final year with Grand Prix at Vojens since its exemption from FIA and BSI regulations will expire next year. I didn't really understand what the exact issue was but it was something that required a re-construction of the arena but the city of Haderslev do not want to contribute financially so apparently it would mean that the track after 2012 no longer would be able to host Grand Prix's / SWC events.

Vojens will host the penultimate round of the 2012 Grand Prix Series. This is according to Danish Ekstrabladet:

i understand what you are saying but i don't give d*m* about your average formulas. if a rider rides 3 meetings and scores 7 points in each meeting the rider have scored 7 points. I also find it surprising that you need to have things explained. 21 is 21 and not 14. a formula is just biased way of judging a performance. And who decided that your formula is the correct? if you have three baskets with 7 eggs in each. If you then put all of the eggs in one basket. How many eggs do have in that basket? Normally it would be 21 eggs. Or do you have 14 eggs? If you then divide the 21 eggs into three equally big piles, how many eggs do you then have in each pile? ooooh lets see, it must be 7. Your worse at maths then a 5 year old.

your methods ARE strange. There is no way 7+7+7 which equals 21 can be anything else then 7 when divided by three, Which is an average score of 7 per meeting, or 1,4 points per heat. I also think there is something wrong with SGP's score. Take a look at this link: http://speedwaygp.com/swcresults/32 and heat 22. THJ is positioned furthest to the left like he had won that heat but he has no point listed in that heat and the table below says 0. Troy Batchelor is listed as 3rd in the heat but in the table its says 0 for his 5th ride. It doesn't matter really as i still think the the charity cases Lindgren and Harris should be given a leave from the GP series until they can get themselves in. Its time to let other riders have a go.

true average? I think an average like that can't be more true (points/meeting) or do you some secret type of weird maths in Britain? coz' in my world (7+7+7)/3=7.

I agree with IO, Harris ended the 2010 season i a very good way but yet he didnt get going until towards the end of this GP season. It could also be that the tracks in the of the season suits him better then the tracks during the rest of the season.

two semifinals from two wild card apperarances. Rode very well in Målilla GP. Averaged on 7 points in the World Cup; Ev1: Thomas H. Jonasson (1,2,2,2,0,0) 7 RO: Thomas H. Jonasson (3,0,2,0,2,0) 7 Fin: Thomas H. Jonasson (0,2,2,1,2,0) 7

or a Leigh Adams...

well you now there are many other young exciting riders like Pawlickis, Janowski, Miedzisnki, Grigory Laguta... all of them would have been a just as good pick as Darcy and Laguta would have been an even better choice.

A good news is that Västervik have said yes to the offer to stay in Elitserien. http://www.vt.se/sport/?articleid=6108510 This means that i can start the mandatory Preview thread if there are enough interest.

what i mean is that we don't know if the best team won since Indianerna never got the chance to prove themselves yesterday since Ryan crashed already in his first heat. Also of course Indianerna (Bjarne) also lost it in ht11. But Normally 6p would have been enough. On a side note tonight's meeting its a big "Long finger" to those who claim that only short tracks can produce good speedway. Kumla is by many (me included) considered to be one of the best, if not THE best track in Sweden. So Anders i hope you and Vetlandas track staff were watching coz' you sure got allot to learn about how to make a good racers track.

well Piraterna won but i think that Sullivans abcense in yesterday meeting meant allot for the final score.

i agree, so unlucky for Indianerna to loose Sullivan and with him the gold. Regarding Sullivan so the news is several broken ribs and a punctured lung.

Lineups for the final: Elitserien Final 1 Piraterna - Indianerna, 2011-10-04 Piraterna Greg Hancock Linus Sundström Jonas Davidsson Piotr Pawlicki Przemyslaw Pawlicki Maciej Janowski Daniel Davidsson Indianerna Antonio Lindbäck Joonas Kylmäkorpi Piotr Protasiewicz Niels-Kristian Iversen Ryan Sullivan Bjarne Pedersen Simon Gustafsson Elitserien Final 2 Indianerna - Piraterna, 2011-10-05 Indianerna Joonas Kylmäkorpi Antonio Lindbäck Piotr Protasiewicz Niels-Kristian Iversen Ryan Sullivan Simon Gustafsson Bjarne Pedersen Piraterna Przemyslaw Pawlicki Piotr Pawlicki Greg Hancock Linus Sundström Jonas Davidsson Maciej Janowski Daniel Davidsson live scores: http://www.svemo.se/Grenar/Speedway/ http://www.speedwaylive.se/ http://live.sportowefakty.pl/launch_speedway_3087.html

Orion if GB would like another GP i dont think that would be a problem even if there is three GPs in Poland. I think the question rather is if there would be enough spectator interest for a 2nd GB Grand Prix? Poland have three GPs because they sell out, if a 2nd GB GP also would sell out (more or less) i do think that BSI would mind having one regardless of how many GPs that are held in Poland.

why is it unfair? Instead of a 3rd Polish GP where should it be?

MotoGP have 4! GPs in Spain; Spanish, Catalonian, Aragonian ( Alcañiz, Spain.) and Valencia. MotoGP also have two in Italy; Italian and San Marino GP (at Misano World Circuit, Italy and two GPs in the USA; Laguna Seca and Indianapolis. So what is the difference compared to speedway?

so why only count the last 14 gps are the others one not valid as results in anyway? it also means that 3/4 of those GPs weren't successful.

i don't know, no rules for next season have been mentioned yet. Rumours are that it will be only 7 riders/squad. I don't see how it would possible to lower it though, there is already allot of moaning from "certain fans" that the averages is just rubbish that needs to be scrapped. Those fans have a very hard time understanding that of the averages would be removed completely that day Swedish speedway would die. Both because teams would try to sign a better team they could afford but also because there would be a big risk that a few teams would be too dominant which would cause the interest to go away.

They have announced that they will ride in Allsvenskan next season. However this is dependant on that they receive appropriate permissions from Svemo as they didn't get their elite license. But i do think that they will be allowed in Allsvenskan anyway since it would be of benefit from Allsvenskan to have 8 teams instead of 7 teams and since no team from Div1 wants to move up to Allsvenskan i don't think anyone would protest.

1 podium even a WC rider can do that. Zorro have two semi-finals from two attempts, THJ also got two semifinals from two attempts. Harris only managed 2 semi finals besides the podium. Despite riding in every GP. IMO If a a rider like THJ makes two sem-finals from two attempts as well as entering the qualification process he would be a just a good pick as Freddie and Harris. Also as i have said before if no other riders gets the chance to prove themselves in the GPs how could you know that they would not perform better then the regular charity cases? Harris got 1 podium finish this year but also 9 none podiums, Freddie got two podiums but also 8 non podiums, Nicki got 1 Victory this year which puts him ahead of FL and CH. How many Victories have Freddie got from his SGP career? Zero, How many victories have Harris achieved?

in the end the playout meetings did not have any meaning. As expected, Rospiggarna have declined to take the step up to Elitserien. http://norrteljetidning.se/sport http://norrteljetidn...erien-nej-tack- http://norrteljetidn...laget-ska-se-ut