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I think you can safely say that Barker, Worrall and Gilkes will be at Plymouth for a start.

Looks a very top heavy side does that, if one of the top 3 has an off night they'll probably get beat at home. Be interesting to see what other teams do.

Couldn't agree more. When they talk about cutting costs and then agree to have 3/4 meetings in a Mickey Mouse cup that no-one will bother watching. I'd sooner scrap the KO Cup and have the extra league meetings.

Going to be interesting to see what clubs do with the lower points limit. I think a lot of teams will be considerably 'weaker' than last season. We'll see though, fully expect a lot of signings to be announced in the next couple of weeks.

Morley on that average in the main body would be a poor signing. Starke a much better option if it fitted. With the averages now finalised I'd say Worrall, Barker, Gilkes and Bowtell are no-brainers for Plymouth.

His average dropped considerably and for me he never really looked like he wanted to be there. As for Ben, I'm certain he'll be back

Good point well made. That's annoying though!

If it was a choice between the two I'd definitely go Alfie (if 100% fit). Lower average and could start at reserve meaning he'd be a good points scorer home and away. Before Alfie got hurt his away from was improving massively. I'd take Starke as a 2nd stringer though if we can bring Gilkes back along with a decent heat leader trio.

No way Hans is back nor would I want him back. I doubt Complin or Roynon come back but stranger things have happened. If rumours are to be believed Worrall, Barker and Gilkes appear to be on the radar for returns, not sure Alfie comes back but I really hope he is, especially on that average. As far as Barker goes, he's great value at Plymouth and is a decent enough rider away but as someone has said you're getting an entertaining rider but someone off the track who time after time lets people down. He is of course the promoters nephew so every chance he'll be back. I think Paul Starke on 4.93 could be a good shout as he goes well at Plymouth and I'd expect him to improve that average.

Maybe, but then make it 12 home and 12 away whereby you face four teams twice and the other four, once. This regional cup, basically exactly the same as we had this season just at a different point in the season is crap and meaningless. Why not just make those fixtures extra league matches?

Which frankly dilutes the playoffs further. The playoffs should be tough to get to and a big thing if you get there. This season if you avoid the bottom 3rd of the league you qualify!

You've got to laugh at the KO cup draw. Plymouth v Poole again. As if that wasn't pre-agreed. This sport is an utter joke to be honest and I feel for supporters who genuinely care about their clubs. A reduction in the points limit, a reduction in home meaningful matches and the saviour being the aggregate bonus point. Seriously!!?? Year after year the useless powers at be avoid the key issues and they continue to dodge the elephant in the room that is; the sport is dying in this country and radical changes need to be made.

Not convinced Trigger is ready for a full time Championship role however if Alfie is at reserve with him that would definitely help.

Pretty certain you can close this thread as a no go. Plymouth lost money last year and with the increase in Championship fixtures I can't see there being any space in the calendar.

Surely Pickering has to be the Brummies number one if he leaves the Monarchs. He's outrageously good at Perry Barr.

Maybe we could get back on topic and discuss the Plymouth side for 2023...?

Don't forget Brits get a 2.5% reduction

Morley has had some good meetings at home no doubt, but his away form is awful and on that average it's a no brainer to avoid! Alfie is much a better rider overall and on a much better average too. Gilkes would be my first name on the team sheet if he's fit. He'd be a steal on that average. I've heard Richie Worrall is bound for Plymouth and Barker, if not banned, is almost certain to be back. I'd have MPT back in heartbeat on his average and Alfie was coming along really nicely, especially away, before his injury. 1. R Worrall - 8.30 (assuming 2.5% reduction) 2. Barker - 7.80 (assuming 2.5% reduction) 3. MPT - 6.76 4. Gilkes - 4.55 (assuming 2.5% reduction) 5. Alfie - 4.29 (assuming 2.5% reduction) = 31.70 It would then depend on the points limit on the last two, if 38 is the limit it only leaves 6.3, hopefully they keep the limit at 42 or even 40 to allow a bit more room to move.

Change the record! This has nothing to do with league positions and you know it. You drew at Ashfield and beat them by 12 at home. They had no Brennan in the home match but Sedgmen still got 5. Ruml scored what Kemp would probably get at reserve. Even with Brennan it's not a 12 point swing. You know you're favourites and should beat Glasgow but as ever you wind up everyone on this forum. This forum would be a far better place without you and it's about time the mods did something about it and banned you.

I'm sure that this is the case, they're the biggest keyboard warrior out there. I mean they must be alright in person as they'd probably have been beaten to a pulp if they were actually like that.

You've had a stinker here! Suggest you a have chat with the Scunny promoter who blocked a signing Plymouth tried to make to replace said rider!

Not so daft after all...

I have no idea what 'the plan' was.

This post like a lot of other posts about Plymouth in recent months is massively over the top around the fact that Plymouth played within the rules in using a guest facility. Many other clubs have done it over years gone by, it's the rules that are the problem, not the club. I'd have loved for us to have signed a replacement ad the club tried, for the record Sedgmen and Summers wanted crazy money to ride for Plymouth and I stand by the promotion for not going there, neither rider imo is very good at Plymouth. We approached a host of riders one of which agreed terms only for the Chairman to block it (nothing to do with the rider's links to Scunthorpe of course). All of that being said, guest facility or not, no-one could have foreseen the injury crisis, none of which occurred at Plymouth's track and it's a real shame for the fans that they won't get to see what promised to be a very competitive side in the playoffs.

I don't think it makes an iota of difference to be honest. It is what it is, the injuries are what they are and the Plymouth seven that started the season may well have won tonight but Poole can do what they can to market it and play it down but this has 30 point win all over it. Unless some serious mechanical gremlins occur (possible of course) sadly the Glads are going struggle to win a heat tonight. Complin, Morley and Coles despite their efforts are unlikely to score more than 4 between them, Hans given his injury struggle and lack of form will do well to beat the Pirates 2nd stringers let alone get close to the top 3. Summers (if he gates) and Flint will probably top score but again seeing them beat a Poole heat leader is unlikely. I'd love to be wrong as I'd like nothing more than to see the Pirates mess this up and the Glads boys do the business but reality is these are two very mismatched teams with only one winner.