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It’s the basic principle of the more they rev the louder they are and the original silencers were straight through ones till about 10 years ago, then they put a metal block half way along the silencer which caused extra back pressure and heat so engines had to be altered to suit the back pressure and heat shields were introduced because the silencers were getting so hot, this was the cause of the cheating when riders were drilling holes in the block and then the current silencers have the same hole in them that the cheaters were doing, it’s writing stuff like this and reading it back you realise how stupid speedway really is

Dan has his say, and I agree with him 100%...

The 2valve/4 valve argument is largely redundant, it’s has no real bearing on the current state of the sport, bikes are no faster now in real time speed than they were 40 years ago, what has changed dramatically is the speed of the back wheel, engine revs now are ridiculously and unnecessarily high, japs revved up to around 6000, 2valve Jawa revved up 7500 revs, 4 valve weslake were up to around 9500 and upright GMs to around 11500, the modern GM can max out at around 13500 revs although during a race you would be lucky to hit 12,000 revs but as I said earlier overall times over 4 laps haven’t really changed, the increase in revs is causing the tyres to disintegrate and it’s causing the tracks to disintegrate and it’s also made the bikes flat out power rather than throttle control, the modern silencer has reduced the usual power down to about 2000 revs, anything out side that usable rev range and you will not go anywhere, imo the introduction of a 10,500 rev limit via the rev limiter, a better tyre and a better silencer would make the bikes easier to control, you could also do things like smaller cam lift or heavier flywheels or softer compression to reduce the overall revs of the engine, it’s not too hard to implement these measures but unfortunately the sport is run by the riders for the riders via the tuners so don’t expect anything to change anytime soon

Can we just take it as read that any rider who was killed in action 'left us too soon' The most complete list is here: https://speedwayinmemoriam.yolasite.com/

I know nothing is likely to change but hope we get the Tigers vs Comets more than 1H, 1A next season. Both sides take a good away following and certainly generates interest this end. It's a travesty when you think Poole/Oxford raced each other 8 times this year. Something has to change, and if the reason for lack of meetings is mainly down to Oxford running 3 sides, then it's an absolute shambles. I fear that it's just going to be the same old BSN groups and then the same league format.

There’s a case for handicap racing there then. If some riders struggle then get them out first and the “good” rides can pass them. Personally it matters not how good or bad a rider is at these so called technical tracks, if you don’t gate you don’t win - simple. Jake’s as wobbly as you’re going to get at this stage in his career but if he gates at these technical tracks he gets points. Makes me laugh how NSS can be deemed a throttle jockey track when it’s the most technical out there from a speedway racing point of view due to the amount of lines to either guard or mount an attack. If technical is popping out of the gate and sitting on THE line a la scalextic shows more skill than moving around the track effectively then I’m happy to leave them in their happy ignorance.

With very little profit though.Better winning everything in Championship than going bust.

I see your point but the throttle jockey track hasnt had any negative effect on Dan for example when it comes to tracks like Cardiff and Leicester. Not the "technical" tracks around these days like there used to be.

If you can't tell the difference between Jason Garrad riding around and falling off on his own, and Vinnie Foord riding around and dangerously taking off an opposing rider(s) because he doesn't have the skill to control his speed - then I'm not sure your opinion is worth listening to. Sorry.

Don't see why so many people have a problem with this post. If Lambert rides as well as he did last year, then it will be interesting - could mean decent races against Lawson, Brennan & the Cooks. Lisa never said it would help Oxford win the Cup, merely that it could be interesting. She's entitled to her opinion, why are so many people bothered by it?

Plymouth are good at that.

Papers are renowned for telling the truth, probably a planted story to try and get people through the door for tomorrow night’s meeting. If true which I doubt I would be disgusted an Oxford fan.

Ellis at BV would be an interesting one... Always think that there is more to come from him.. Might sound daft, but I think he is a fair bit better than his average in the UK suggests.. With his mate alongside him maybe he will flourish and reach the level many thought he could get to four or five years ago...?

Zmarzlik and Robert Lambert !! 😆

Where I'm currently at, I don't think I'm that far off tbh. BV - 1. Kurtz, 2. Blodorn, 3. Lidsey, 4. (5.75 Ellis?), 5. Bewley, 6. Zischke & 7. Mulford BIR - 1. ?, 2. Z. Cook, 3. Douglas, 4. S. Worrall, 5. ?, 6. Lampart & 7. Edwards IPS - 1. Doyle, 2. Rew, 3. Brennan, 4. King, 5. Sayfutdinov, 6. D. Thompson & 7. Jenkins KL - 1. B. Cook, 2. Kvech, 3. Iversen, 4. Klindt, 5. (6.95), 6. Harris & 7. Boughen LEI - 1. Fricke, 2. Howarth, 3. Lawson, 4. Becker, 5. Masters, 6. (5.01 Sedgmen/Kerr) & 7. Hagon OX - 1. Musielak, 2. Riss, 3. Janowski, 4. Wright, 5. Tungate, 6. (5.19 Sedgmen/C. Cook) & 7. Killeen SHE - 1. J. Holder, 2. Rowe, 3. Woffinden, 4. Pickering, 5. C. Holder, 6. Gilkes & 7. Flint

Howarth at Leicester apparently

Unless it’s the NL where they added half a point on to the limit just so a rider could get a team after every other team had built theirs

This really is a vile thread. The lad is learning and is no doubt going to be a very good rider. The OP should be ashamed of himself for starting such an awful thread.

Yes, but it's something Vinnie struggled with.

2 Valve/4 valve, Upright/Laydown the difference is the progress that Riders/tuners want & it appears they want an engine that revs way more than it is required to do so. many things have changed over the years in speedway & we all look back to say how great it was way back when. Todays engine as a a laydown is much the same as it was 40 years ago. The insides have changed, to achieve the massive amount of revs todays engine make they have moved to a short stroke engine which makes for smaller flywheels & bigger pistons to get towards 20,000rpm & then fit a limiter to reduce it to 13,500rpm. The only time an engine might go over this is on the start line when the engine is not under load. The quickest solution would be to limit the bore size this would increase the stroke to make 500cc & dramaticly reduce the upper rev limit also reducing potential noise levels. With lower revs it would also reduce maintenance costs for the rider. This would also increase the useable rev band making the machine more rider friendly for those that choose throttle control over twist"n"go

Slightly .

Was all postive from his time at the Comets, I think it helped as he has a real respect for Steve. On the flip side, if he doesn't respect someone or a track it really shows through and rightly so I can see why he can be classed as all the names he gets called on here. Some people like Troy seem to thrive on it, but more often than not he was a joy to watch and wouldn't be a surprise if he picks up our Rider of the Year award. I guess the sport needs characters like him, one thing is for sure he deflected a lot of the usual heat from Cookie this year 😂

Apart from Harris and an extent Flint this years Team was a disaster.Maybe not rushing things this year.(probably know line up though)

I think r/r has been signed at No 1

When in Rome.

i have no idea on the finances for either league, it is clear getting top riders to ride in our top league has been good for the sport in this country but it is fairly obvious the Championship is far more cost effective, we get the same crowds so get very similar income but pay out less. I would love us to compete in the top league but at this time I don't think it is worth the risk.

Workington this season

If you read my post again ,it was just generalised assumption,of what might happen.i was just taking in the extra to run in Premiership as opposed to Championship.If you want to argue among yourself please go ahead.

Dan Bewley a fan by the looks of it

Be one of the first names on the team sheet for me

You do learn to NOT lock a bike up, but instead let it "flow" through the bends to keep speed and momentum up.. And learn to use different entry and exit lines each lap to mess up the rider behind who may be thinking about a pass.. A good learning ground for those who will develop onto the international stage, where these type of wide tracks are more the norm than the old "technical tracks" of yesteryear in the UK.. The ones that "you had to learn to ride to be the best in the world".. Those few meetings Zmarzlik did at Brum must have worked wonders!!!!😁

The limiter was introduced and the limit is set higher than the actual revs achieved during a race, I brought a new anlas tyre last year for the upright championship on the Isle of Wight and used it again this year, so it can do 10 races when the limit is lowered to around 10,000, as bad as the tyre is it is being expected to do a burn out for 5 mins at 11,000+revs, that’s asking a lot of any tyre

Yes maybe not worth the risk after a series of falls and concussion can take a long time to recover from.

I know what he/she means? but there wasn't a problem last season when things weren't great? This season, one would hope for a better team/race-track, meaning a better product on display, which surely wont/cant be any worse than last ?

poole are interested in anyone on the right average ie one which can be added to

Be a struggle for them to sign a number 1, they only seem to get one meeting per year. Can't be an attractive contract for any rider.

Cook and Starke in the same team? Lots of meetings missed there when they don't show. Vissing never puts a full season in either so don't sign all three.

He'd be progressive massively until he got to a technical track... Maybe he should have signed to ride for the Cubs also to get a better handle on the Leicester track. He'd develop a far better rider on the technical Leicester track than throttle jockeying it around Belle Vue every other week

Nah I think Ellis will go to Belle Vue and Ipswich will end up with Doyle, Rew, King, Sayfutdinov, Thompson, Jenkins and a new number 3 (possibly Musielak or maybe Brennan)

Great post! Looking at the averages in the championship the other day asking where are the next line of heat leaders coming from. Doubling up seems to have taken away the mid level riders in the lower division that step up once the top boys move on. The RS should have been at that level to push the riders we've lost over the last 5/10 years into the second string/3rd heat leader roles. Think you nailed it with the Simon Lambert example. Poland haven't seen many of their top level juniors kick on at the world stage as expected but they are still performing at a very good standard in their domestic leagues. From the u21 final 10 years ago, only Ellis, Howarth and Coles are still riding. Phillips and Mountain were meeting reserves and the only ones still with a league place from the qualifier. The Polish junior final that year had, Musielak, Pieszczeck, Przedpelski, Gomolski, Zmarzlik, Smektala, Woryna, Pawlicki, Wozniak, Gala and Cyfer.

You come up with some howling teams 🫣

It's Different times I suppose. Throughout the 70s,80s and 90's we had young talent coming through by bucketloads, but that was because we had a great feeder program called grass track. Now we have kids starting out in the youth series under Neil Vatcher. They just progress through the ranks and ride against each and because of the lack of riders compared to yesteryear, they all get a team place in the NDL. They then progress into the CL and as we have witnessed this season, even in a very low standard CL they are not good enough. How many of the riders who made their debut over the last two season in the CL would you say have a bright future? Young Luke Harrison, Killeen, Dan Thompson Look the best contenders to me. Some of the others look so far out of their depth and wlll never make it. That is not their fault. It's the system.

Think it will be 40, certainly hope it will be. I suspect the powers that be want to delete championship to become a tiny bit better than NDL in order to make premiership look so much better. Despite the fact that championship has been the best league for many years. This deason has been a disaster fixture wise and the fact that particularly 1 club is against 2h and 2a because they run 3 teams is not good for the whole sport, let them drop their championship team or allow 2h 2a

What do you want a medal? This is all a bit daft isn’t it? Why stop at top 4? Ipswich have a stronger top 2, Sheffield have a stronger top 3, and a stronger top 4, Ipswich will possibly/probably have a stronger top 5 and the one that really matters, I think Ipswich will definitely have a stronger top 7!

Got to feel sorry for Boughan getting stuck at KL.

Wherever he ends up he should be encouraged rather than vilified a young kid who clearly has talent but a raw talent. Starting a thread questioning if a young kid is dangerous is over the top.

Good then they can have 2H@2A lol

Then it would be at Workington

Now they've given Hodder a full season, think it's worth giving him another go.

I thought it was the Isle of Wight.!!!