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Please don't even quote him. I have him on ignore but still see his posts if quoted. 😒

You’ve no idea what got said to him only seeing his response, social media is an absolute nightmare for people hiding behind computer screens to abuse others.

Any evidence to support this, or just a typical internet rant that could be completely made up and has gained traction from others who don't like him ? Maybe he was rude, but then again, maybe he was approached a few minutes after returning to the pits after just being done 5-1 in heat 15 ? These riders are putting themselves on the line every time they race, and I would imagine are pretty fired up inside after a bad race. Sometimes fans need to think whether it is a good time to approach a rider or not. Holder is not renowned for being over friendly, so common sense suggests that may have been a bad moment.

Interestingly, if you look at the live updates threads from bank holiday monday, the updaters that day had more races down as 'from the gate' at Belle Vue than at Sheffield. 😉

Harmless banter...... Time for the ignore button me thinks. If @admin won't do anything, it's up to us as individuals to ignore the Troll.

Replace - attending Speedway Retain - £23

The “bend 2 barmy army” only been going couple years most sheff fans find them embarrassing. Bend 3 and 4 fans at owlerton great atmosphere and no hostility at all towards away fans, I was talking with the Ipswich lot last week all good banter

Booo Hooo... I really would give it no thought whatsoever if I was Jack, or Chris... Life moves on, and, guess what, there are a myriad of disappointments to face, so get over it, and quickly..... If Jack Holder had done something to upset my kid which I felt was "out of order", he would have been told there and then... I wouldn't have hidden behind a keyboard... The world nowadays is far too easily offended... Which, in a way, is great... Because there are loads more who now take offence than there used to be to have a pop at......

What's the issue? Lots of respect for Chris... World Champions are a special breed... Met him once on the Monster rig at the SON.. A very decent lad.. Ignore social media knobheads.... Life is too short... And sometimes you come off worst.. Great to see him perform so well on Monday...

because he's an absolute satchel

Saw this on Facebook. Shocking way to treat a child. As for his mechanic, apparently he's quit!

Information from Leicester The outcome of that semi-final has an effect on the date of the Grand Final at the Pidcock Motorcycles Arena, Beaumont Park. If Sheffield win on aggregate, the Lions will stage the first leg next Monday, September 23 before travelling up to South Yorkshire three nights later. A Belle Vue victory would mean the Lions travelling to Manchester next Monday and then hosting the second leg on Thursday September 26. So how is it acceptable that they have to wait till the Thursday to know where the final will be raced on the following Monday, when this wasn't acceptable for the semi finals? For "commercial reasons" couldn't Leicester just have agreed to host the home leg first to allow Belle Vue or Sheffield 7 days to publicise their leg of the final? There is nothing anyone could ever say to make me believe the "fixing" of the semi finals is acceptable.

Baek in Denmark

On facebook, that well known platform of truth and honesty !! Everyone is taking her word as gospel and completely discounting Chris Holder's statement that it didn't happen. Is that because they know the woman personally and are confident she would only post the absolute truth ? Or is it because they dislike the Holder family and see an opportunity to jump on the bandwagon ? I wonder how many of those backing her statement would do the same if she said it about Doyle or Nicholls ?

Can't really use Doyle as an example, as he'll earn a fortune in Poland and doing the UK in a sense, helps to reduce his Polish costs while keeping on a bike regularly Think people need to work out how to make the sport affordable and a worthwhile sport to participate in for the likes of Lawson, Harris, Thompsons, Rowe etc.

Well the original post was from the child’s mother rather than hearsay. I always think there are 3 sides to every story with the truth being in the middle. if I was jack holder I’d invite the child and parents in question to Sheffield to watch the play off final and pay for them including a meal in the restaurant. All good publicity and doing the right thing.

If you call abusive behaviour towards kids a grudge then fine I have a grudge Did you read the part where I said how it was nice talking to the Sheffield fans and management at Foxhall recently? But yes the behaviour of a minority of Sheffield fans that night was a disgrace …. Add in the fact that Jack Holder rides for your team and you can see why I don’t want Sheffield to win lol

It plain fact that Speedway in GB is not attracting NEW and keeping them fans in any significant numbers.How the Financial side of the Sport is doing just remains the business of the Promotions .Fans Fundraising is a significant contribution at a few Clubs . Fans like myself can only speculate riders costs but certainly figures bandied about make interesting conversations. Everything seems rosy though.🤔🤔🤔 what I do know is they can’t keep watering down the product and keep charging rising Admission Prices. Comparing with other activities does not wash with me.Its what I’m paying to Watch Speedway that matters to me and I’m sure a lot of other fans.

Nobody apart from Sheffield fans want Sheffield to win … every supporter wants Leicester or Belle Vue For me I can’t stand Jack or Tai both need taking down a peg or two Will also never forget the vile Sheffield fans at last years play off final .. I’ve been going since 1980 and never seen a set of fans verbally abuse and give v signs and the hand gesture to kids as young as 8…. Don’t say it didn’t happen it did …. On the plus side had a good chat with Sheffield fans at Ipswich after the cup final and Steady and Chris Holder …. Jack… well he had no time for anyone not even his own fans

This recent reply from C Holder sums the family up for me.

1. 56.1 2. 57.7 3. 56.2. 4. 57.0 5. 56.6 6. 56.2. 7. 56.3 8. 57.5. 9. 56.8. 10. 56.5. 11. 57.4. 12. 57.0. 13. 56.9 14. 57.8. 15. 57.7 Heat 12 time was missing in my program Rob but managed to get it from a friend.

The fact that everyone is eager to believe the story without any evidence, should be a wake up call to Jack Holder to improve his attitude & actions, after all he is a professional sportsman, representing his sponsors / clubs / country. Had this story been about Emil Sayfutdinov, I would not have believed it at all!

what has that tweet got to do with sheffield speedway? A they are his own views and B he didn't ride for sheffield in 2019 !

That was 2019!!

If this is the case for the defence, its not a great look. One wonders what if anything Sheffield Speedway, his employer, make of this.

Other than the family who it happened too? When will people stop defending the holder clan. They’re all a bunch on entitled 🔔 ends, they always have been and they always will be. Jack being the worst out of the lot of them.

Good point... Look forward to seeing what happens Thursday... Glad I'm a neutral for this one 😀

What’s with the slagging of owlerton again the NSS is a great racetrack but if the opposition come to owlerton and have a go the racing is good standard. Harris rides our track well I suspect he’ll stay at number 5 and ride better than first leg. Picko and Chris is the key partnership they need heat advantages whenever they ride together. Lidsey and Cook not been convincing at all so far this season when visiting Sheffield. prediction, Sheff to win superheat 🤩

Im in agreement with you too. Seen a few words in the programme basically saying use it or lose it. It’s not going anywhere, I’m sick of saying the same thing over and over.

Good meeting some great racing Hoping Belle Vue have done enough As for Jack Holder the guy is just not a nice human being After the cup final and being an Ipswich fan I spoke and congratulated Chris Holder and Steady and had a good chat … Jack walked past I said well done and he simply smirked Every race tonight didn’t acknowledge any of his opponents where as his brother shook hands and when Lidsey beat him he fist pumped him Chris Holder top bloke … Jack Holder arse

Advantage Belle Vue for me at the moment. But we have come back from bigger more in the past. I thought the first half of the meeting was very gate and go, but the racing came alive in the second half of the meeting. As for Jack Holder not shaking hands after the race, who cares. This sport not love island. Personally I don't give a damn.

EVERYONE do not respond to you know who at all, they will soon dissappear. By responding you're doing exactly what they want.

Promotion & relegation would only work if the Championship teams want to get promoted. Plus it'll never work when there's restricted race nights.

Seven riders teams... 15 heats... Rising Stars.. Rinse and Repeat.. Plenty of options exist... Not enough riders? Then go six, or even five, rider teams in the top league.. Go for 8 rider squads in the 2nd tier? 3 riders to fit 2 places for development? Add in a fit for purpose RR facility and you have a decent base to start from.. The top tier should be the "seller" for the rest of the sport to live off the back of.. At the moment the sport im the UK really is just an opportunity for riders to earn money and promoters to feel good that they run something where some of the worlds best will rub shoulders with them... The winning of any of the team titles is almost irrelevant given the infrastructure that delivers them.. Getting that sorted should be Phil's No 1 priority as, if he can make the titles have some kudos and maybe some proper financial rewards, then growth could happen...

Well done Workington on your 1st season back in championship, lovely set up there, you had a team with a few unknowns and coped well, to make the play offs was an astounding result and you may have gotten further if you had your full team without injuries. Hopefully you can get back some of the Derwent park fans and continue to do well next season. Believe it or not a lot of Glasgow fans were supporting you to do well, shame that there are 1 or 2 Workington fans dislike us, but for the most part you are a friendly lot. You have Steve Lawson who is very well thought off at Glasgow, you also have my fave rider Craig Cook and Claus is also loved by Glasgow fans. I look forward to some friendly rivalry next season.

Not always. There are riders who are on retainers, so therefore don’t matter where they finish.

Grapevine calling........Masters coming back.

“ Verbal agreements not worth the paper they’re written on” That’s a new one on me. 😂

I'll browse what i want, without being rude to other forum members. If you think you're being slagged off i'd suggest that you need to grow a pair.

In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, come again.

I dont think its a one off, there is plenty of evidence the guy is an absolute spanner.

Not sure about his guests score are at Sheff this etc but for Oxford this year he's scored 3 and 10 is pretty hit and miss. RR is much better for Sheff imo

I seem to remember in our premiership days, Holder and Kurtz letting us down at Ipswich in the playoffs

Words fail me hope your son OK

I don't think Harris was that bad, don't forget he's a 6 point rider, so 5 points away from home riding in the difficult number 5 position isn't a major shock. I agree he wasn't great, but average wise he wouldn't be expected to beat any Belle Vue heat leaders. In Thursday I'd certainly put Chris Holder at 5 & move Harris to a "second string" position.

Jack Holder.

There isn’t enough money in speedway for Britain. What they need is a team like in Poland where it’s your team! Not guests every other week where people feel like it’s not their team anymore. And you can’t do this because there isn’t enough money in the sport. Loyalty goes out the window, it’s every man for himself and as many guests bookings to fund the off season for the riders, and I totally get that as riders are self employed. If they upped the average for team building so you could have 3 big hitters then it would be more interesting. Don’t do what Poland do and scrap it altogether or you’ll get a Lublin effect where they basically buy the league. i believe they should introduce relegation as well so the league has some jeopardy for the teams that don’t make the play offs, and the championship teams then have ambitions. Again, probably not enough money in the sport to do it! shame the local councils don’t input some money into social activity which brings communities together instead of trying to make money buy selling off land to property developers. This country is down the toilet and how speedway is treated is just another example.

2022 1.42 2023 3.29 2024 5.10 Doubt there are more than a couple of riders that have put that much on their average over two years, can you think of any?

No they'll send Cruz Harris to school as a guest pupil.