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100%... Litigation would be enormous if anything happened which COULD be attributed to someone who has just not passed a drugs or alcohol test.. The ref and the clubs complicit in letting him ride, could face prosecution, as could the governing body... Even the rider himself could sue if he got injured as "you let me ride"... You don't pass, you don't ride...

I understand the frustration about the testing procedure but what if the rider be allowed to participate in the meeting after providing a non-negative result & then is involved in a track crash with the other rider receiving injuries that mean he must miss a few events. How then would the insurers look at our procedure if we knowingly allow a test failure to race in the event. how would the 13 other riders feel about taking to the track with a possible drug user. i understand that as a paying spectator you expect the perfect event each time but what of the others involved within the sport that work hard to produce the product you come to watch. The rules may not be perfect but if we are call bound by the same rules then it must work.

The difference this time is that it was a reserve rider who returned the non-negative result. Last year (and the year before, when Ben Barker was snagged) it was riders in their team proper who had their licences temporarily suspended (rightly and properly, rules is rules) on the night, in which case the programmed races could be covered by the team's reserves. Eliminating the problem of a three-rider race, which seems to be the main factor in getting people's knickers twisted. So, if it happens again -- and it will, sure as God made little apples -- if it's a rider in the team's 1-5, no problem, no 3-man races. If it's a reserve, Heat 2 has to go with three riders -- hardly "cheating the public" and certainly a fair price to pay to keep the sport free of banned substances, no?

Just did a wee bit of maths, to test the entire team every meeting it would cost £78.40, in the super grand scheme of things that isn't a lot. To lab test a sample costs £120 (off Googley search £60 if done on mass) So simply charge every rider £5.60 a meeting to ensure a 100% clean sport. If you get a "non negative" result the rider forks out the £120/£60 to prove their clean or not. Don't ban the rider on the night but upon return of the lab test. Teams aren't affected, fans get a proper meeting.

For those who are only reading this thread and didn't attend the meeting, it hard to believe but there was an actual meeting with racing and with bikes on track. Crazy.

Anyone who thinks that, can simply stop reading the posts

Listening to Schlein on commentary it's easy to imagine how he talks himself out of riding when the track is anything other than perfect. He'll be trying to get this one called off from the commentary box!

Is it? I genuinely didn’t know that. I’m sure I’ve been seeing Dick Barrie‘s name in Speedway Stars and programmes since the 90s, but I’ve never actually saw him. Deadly. I hung around after the meeting for an autograph, a selfie and a calf massage.

Greg Blair is the young guy and everybody knows the Old Guy or he thinks they do.

We have explored every angle and evidence of the situation surrounding the test undertaking by Complin last Saturday. Maybe its time to leave to the powers that be to investigate and come to their conclusion whatever that may be.

And it was a very good meeting

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on anything that comes from the BBC.

It's alright, Fricke will be at reserve soon and then watch us go!

Thanks for confirming my post. If you had left it after your first two lines it would have been a decent post. The last line was hypocritical and stupidest - more stupid. You totally contradicted yourself. Not so brilliant. Have a great evening.

Bar a couple of riders it doesn’t look like they are remotely up for it.

It’s already wet and slippery.

Heat 10 is brought to you by “Paul’s Sauna Club”, only because there isn’t a Heat 69.

Looking forward to this tonight. Heatings on, so the missus should be asleep in no time, leaving me with the a bliss evening of speedway and chocolate.

Rather Rowe than a foreign journeyman. Rowe might feel he has a point to prove and give his all rather than just 6-7 pointer going through the motions. And Poole fans will welcome him back.

If all 14 riders were checked before every meeting, there would definitely be a shortage of riders after a few matches.

More conspiracy that’s got to be up there as one of the stupidest posts. Brilliant.

Don't commit a tapes offence or fail to beat the two minutes then.

Non negative or failed drug test both the same, so banned from meeting, IF its down to medication would show up on 2nd test, then the people in charge can decide what happens next, why we have 15 pages of debate god only knows,

18 pages and probably around 2 pages is actually about the meeting. I know it is a huge debating point but surely it’s been done to death now , let’s see what happens now and get the facts. I notice Lees wife has posted on FB about what he had taken.

Agree there completely, crazy to let a rider compete not having passed the test. I know its not great for fans to go to a meeting expecting teams as advertised only to find out you are a rider down but I cant see any other acceptable way.

The bottom line is,the tests at the start of the meeting are great and im sure everyone welcomes randam testing,there a few posters on here that get what im trying to say.PRE MATCH testing is quite new,and we are going to have the same problems again when the next rider fails a test.All im trying to explain and maybe not too well,is that this is a new practice,and sooner or later its going to happen again.100% punish the rider,BUT NOT THE FANS.I havnt got the answer but the people who are carrrying out the tests,must have thought this through and come up with a solution surely. ie GREAT TESTING RIDER OR RIDERS FOUND GUILTY AND BANNED TO RIDE ON THE NIGHT PLAN B PUT INTO OPERATION FOR THE TEAM WITH BANNED RIDER OR RIDERS SO THE MEETING CAN TAKE PLACE WITH 4 RIDER RACES.THAT PLAN B AT THE MOMENT IS ...........................?!!!!!!!

is Benzoylecgonine not what they class as the breakdown product its whats left after you take cocaine it does not make its own cocaine in the body your liver disolves the cocaine and produces Benzoylecgonine from the cocaine cocaine if used now and then cant be traced after a few hours but the Benzoylecgonine stays for days after use do a little research

But what is the point in granting a facility to get a guest rider, when the test takes place 1 hour or less before start time. Who is going to turn up? Ask any team manager, they struggle to get guests with 3 days notice let alone 30 mins Glasgow could have named a number 8, but if they don’t have one there they can’t. This is also intended as a team punishment for that fixture too, with any subsequent penalties on the individual concerned rather than team league points for example.

Quite agree. Archie refused to ride at reserve knowing his gating was crap at that time, and would not score points. He was presurised by Rob to ride but it didn't help his confidence. He was guaranteed points payment but it did more harm than good for his progress. The following year he was signed by the Belle Vue Colts at reserve along with Freddie Holder, and he then made good progress usually being the highest average. Great pairing Archie and Freddie.

Probably just a typo error Don't think it that big a deal mate

Another very good weekend in Heerenveen. Maybe the racing was slightly better overall in Inzell, but not by much. Nice to meet quite a few British fans in our hotel in Joure too. Only downside was staying far too long in the bar on Saturday night!! Well done to the world champ, any winner of a championship deserves it. Hard luck to Max Niedermaier, was rooting for him as an underdog ( probably the reason he didn't win). Things swayed back and forth over the whole weekend for both contenders, but that heat 16 smash finished it. Finally, very well done to Stefan Svensson. Delighted for him to win his last race. Seems a lovely, relaxed, chilled out bloke who just goes round waving to everyone before and after the races......... but is rapid over the 4laps. Bring on 2025 and healed bodies for those who were injured before/ during the season.

They were actually 14/1 joint last with Birmingham. Think my 20 notes brought them in to 12’s

Massive credit to all the riders for getting 14 Heats done as well as all the track staff and co for even getting the meeting on. BV look rock solid at Home and they'll hand out more than a fair share of hammerings. Leicester need a double team change already if they're serious about making the play-offs this season, Cant have a weak reserve pairing like that and get away with it this season as the league is the strongest it's been in a good few years.

1. I've seen him single handedly getting a meeting abandoned at Peterborough a few years back when there was absolutely nothing wrong with the track, and listening to him over the last few meetings I can see exactly why. 2. He needs a ladder to get on his bike

I was literally just thinking that. ”Great win for Cook, BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS WEATHER?!”

Spot on Screm Hardly read much about meeting at all Rest just keeps repeating on itself

The rules were changed last year where a 28 day facility is not extended. Both Wolves & Scunny had to adapt where, from memory, Wolves used guests up to 75% of Beckers average where we used guests for a few meetings then made 2 changes (which I was not happy about at the time)

Brilliant! That’s got to be right up there with the most hypocritical posts ever. Done to death, then add more conspiracy.

After the afternoon showers rain should clear about 4 and be dry all night till 10pm so should be all good to go

I'm sorry, I just don't get why we're punishing the team and the paying fans for something a rider has done and only on that 1 single night. A club can't be responsible for what a rider does, much in the same way that they're not responsible if a rider gets injured riding for a different club and sometimes in a different country. Take Charles Wright getting injured riding for Wroclaw last year, should Redcar have had a facility? Of course they should, I fail to see the difference. What if a rider had drugs in his system from "partying" with a different club? Should Poole not have had a facility for 1 match when Darcy Ward got busted at a GP a few years back? I agree with your last point, can't see it myself though

Mate.... This married at first sight thing, she kindly watches it when I'm at work or if I'm in the room with subtitles and volume off.

Medication for an abscess in his mouth apparently,

It was written at 3 o'clock in the morning and intended to open up debate. The "Silly People" would be the ones that have the current procedure in force. Why are we waiting until 1 HR before the potential dangerous rider is at the tapes to test them? Why are we using a testing procedure that can only supply us a "non negative" which could be false instead of proving 100% wether the rider is safe or not. Why are we only testing 28% of the riders at a meeting?

Have to agree,it happened ,the rules of the sport were applied.Glasgow just awaiting outcome. ps very enjoyable meeting.

And we nearly dropped off the page there. Can't be having that. Need to keep the struggling momentum/interest going. Although it's unlikely, Chapman might do the right thing and offload the club to those actually fighting for its survival?

Hypothetically, in your opinion, should a meeting be rerun if a failed test ever turned out to be inaccurate?

Really, just to be clear, I wasn't joking.

Thats a bit of an arrogant statement mate, Plymouth are generally well supported with a decent away following it's just a pity that a lot of riders don't want to travel down to Plymouth for home meetings, plus the racetrack is not a favourite of many riders though Mark Phillips has tried to extend the track a little over the close season, I wish Plymouth all the best for 2024 and hope they can get some decent weather to complete the Track improvements.

Your vendetta against Plymouth is pathetic as is your total lack of respect for the ndl,which is where the future of British speedway is nurtured,not some hellish place that teams you have a vendetta against get banished to as some form of punishment.